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Need opinions and advice for new skis: Volkl RTM80 / Blizzard Bushwacker / Fischer Progressor

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

 

I could really use some advice from people who know. I have been researching here, online and at local stores.

 

I am down to 3 choices:

1)    Volkl RTM80 (171)

2)    Blizzard Bushwacker (173)

3)    Fischer Progressor 9+ (2011) / 900(2012) (170)

 

About me:

5’8” – 250# - 43yo; ski the Northeast, 16-20 days/season; frontside – conditions vary; solid 8 skier

 

Coming off a pair of Atomic Beta Ride 10.20 (170), stiff and heavy, but they disappeared from Mt. Snow on St Patrick’s Day, so time for new skis.

 

What I liked about these:

1)    Never any chatter, at any speed – even on ice and on boilerplate

2)    Solid and stiff

3)    Confidence inspiring

 

What I didn’t like:

1)    Too stiff for the moguls

2)    Very heavy skis

3)    Not good in the crud and new powder

 

I understand that there would be a small learning curve going to a pair of mid-fats. I’ve got good technique – so that’s not an issue.

 

Heavier and slower than I once was so…. looking for more of a ski that I can ride instead of driving all day. Speed is not as important as edge hold, carving ability, and ability to handle different conditions.

 

Looking for more of a fun ski to ride than quick ski to drive.

 

What do you think? Any thoughts on these or other quivers are welcome.

post #2 of 10
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Originally Posted by Big Bad Rog View Post

 

I could really use some advice from people who know. I have been researching here, online and at local stores.

 

I am down to 3 choices:

1)    Volkl RTM80 (171)

2)    Blizzard Bushwacker (173)

3)    Fischer Progressor 9+ (2011) / 900(2012) (170)

 

About me:

5’8” – 250# - 43yo; ski the Northeast, 16-20 days/season; frontside – conditions vary; solid 8 skier

 

Coming off a pair of Atomic Beta Ride 10.20 (170), stiff and heavy, but they disappeared from Mt. Snow on St Patrick’s Day, so time for new skis.

 

What I liked about these:

1)    Never any chatter, at any speed – even on ice and on boilerplate

2)    Solid and stiff

3)    Confidence inspiring

 

 


If those are your criteria, then the Progressor 9/9+, or the new 900 (I have a pair on order) is easily the best of these 3. The RTM 80 is fairly detuned for a carver, similar in category to the 800/8+ from Fischer.  Nice ski at slower speeds, lacking top end and grip. The Bushwacker isn't in the same category as the Progressor or the RTM80: it isn't anywhere close to a carver.  I was skiing it on boilerplate recently, and it was easily the worst of the group (others were Kendo, Apex, MX88, Magnum 8.7, E88). It is easily the softest of the group, and lacking any metal. It also has substantial tip and tail rocker, which doesn't bode well to grip.  

 

Now, if your criteria is the following: 

 

 

Quote:

What I didn’t like:

1)    Too stiff for the moguls

2)    Very heavy skis

3)    Not good in the crud and new powder

then the Progressor might be too much ski. Not a lot of float, a fair amount of work in bumps (stiff ski), and weighs alot.  RTM 80 is a bit more forgiving and will float better. Bushwacker is probably the best of the 3 here: it does really well in soft snow and soft bumps. 

 

Your listing of "what I liked" and "what I didn't like" are mutually exclusive.  Great edge hold, stability, and confidence are the hallmarks of skis with a lot of guts (metal) and they weigh alot. They are also stiffer and can be tough in bumps.  Light skis (w/o metal, foam stringer/wood core skis) are light, forgiving, but not much ski on hard snow.  

 

Hope this helps.  Sounds like you are really in the market for 2 skis!  

 

post #3 of 10

I'm with Scott to a point. You criteria right now is best covered by two different skis and the ones you've selected don't bridge the two categories well enough to be a good compromise. The Progressor is great at the hard snow end and the Bushwhacker is great at the soft snow/bumps end. The Volkl doesn't make the cut either way especially for your weight. There might be a good compromise out there and it might be something that you don't expect.

 

The K2 Aftershock might be a good tweener for you. It is not known for stellar edge grip but it's not bad and the ski is exceptionally damp. The dampening makes the A/S smooth and comfortable on boilerplate even if it doesn't have ice pick grip. OTH, the A/S is softer and easier than the Progressor in bumps and soft snow. Other possibilities might be a Rossi Experience 88 or a Blizzard Mag. 8.7.

 

If you do choose the Progressor (great ski BTW), I'd suggest the 1000 as I think it might be a better call for a guy your size.

 

SJ

post #4 of 10

How about the Motive 80?  Not a huge rocker, good flex and yet can hold a solid edge for our ice days.

post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by EastCoastDreamr View Post

How about the Motive 80?  Not a huge rocker, good flex and yet can hold a solid edge for our ice days.


Among the Fischers, the Progressor is the better choice for hard conditions. IMO, rockering an 80mm ski is an attempt to make it into something it isn't and at least in this case offers no advantage over the conventionally cambered Progressor and it detracts from the precise tip engagement and finishing power of the P-1000.

 

SJ

 

post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

Another question: What do you think of the Motive 80? Am I too heavy for that ski? Would I be better off on the Motive 84?

post #7 of 10

Big Bad Rog, 

Volkl RTM series is full rockered, so you may want to demo first, and I would suggest the RTM 84 based on reviews.    I personally love Volkl skis' and these are supposed to be like the AC 50, but rockered and 15 percent lighter.   I have skied the Aftershocks, and they are fun but from what you have described they will just be okay and they are soft, (I weigh 190, 5.8 tall).    I have also skied the 8.7's they were fun too,

but may I suggest a ski that you probably haven't heard a lot about, but has gotten great reviews, Salomon Enduro xt 850, (ski of the year last year, called the Enduro last year but the xt 850 is last years Enduro). (check it out on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbI9IWxyOt4&feature=relmfu along with all the other reviews).   I have skied on this ski for several days, and in short, it jams.  Bombing hard pack runs and ripping and gripping, CHECK,  blasting crud and threading tight trees, CHECK,  skiing powder and ripping out short, med, and long turns, CHECK, High speed very steep slush runs, Double Check.   I was so stoked with this ski that I put my friend in it, (I was a little worried because he is a lower level intermediate, level 4/5).   His skiing jumped to a solid 5 in two days, no joke!  

It's Salomon top of the line front side ski, and they hit the bulls eye on this one.      The reviews on youtube are all from the 184 they had to demo, I rode the 177, and it was SUPER stable at top end and super quick everywhere.    Anyways If I were to recommend a ski for someone to buy out east without demo it would be this one, and with all the criteria you mention it would be worth your while to at the very least Demo it.  177.  


Edited by pdiddy - 12/27/11 at 11:07pm
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by Big Bad Rog View Post

Another question: What do you think of the Motive 80? Am I too heavy for that ski? Would I be better off on the Motive 84?


 

You need to make a decision on the soft snow category or the hard snow category. Until you do............whaddabout this......and whaddabout that is just talking in circles.

 

SJ


Edited by SierraJim - 12/27/11 at 10:39pm
post #9 of 10

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

You need to make a decision on the soft snow category or the hard snow category. Until you do............whaddabout this......and whaddabout that is just talking in circles.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Bad Rog View Post

About me:

5’8” – 250# - 43yo; ski the Northeast, 16-20 days/season; frontside

 

I'd say the decision is clear. smile.gif

post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

 

 

 

I'd say the decision is clear. smile.gif



Not even close..........his initial statement that you quoted is clear enough but then the stated likes and dislikes and the shopping list are all over the map.

 

For instance would the OP like the new ski to (a) match the stated likes of what he has or (b) would he like a ski to remedy the dislikes? The ski that does (a) will FTMP not do (b).

 

SJ

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