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post #1 of 54
Thread Starter 

I finally have convinced my parents to get me skis as sort of a Christmas present but am totally overwhelmed by the options. I'm looking for an all mountain ski around 100 mm almost exclusively for Squaw. I ski 20 days a year, and not of my choosing, so they would need to be able to handle anything from 2 week old crud to fresh powder.  Also some sort of twin tip design is almost a requirement for my style of skiing and having fun out there on the mountain. I put together a table of skis I've found ranked by interest .

 

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Any other skis I should consider? Any raving reviews? Any recommendations? How do I choose!?!?

 

 

post #2 of 54

The 98/100 mm waist segment is stacked. You can not really go wrong with any of those skis. To help us make more educated suggestions we need your weight and your height. 

 

You may want to add the rossi scimitar and dynastar sixth sense slicer to the list. 

 

The bonafide gets a lot of love here, as does the SFB.

 

If you cant talk your parents into buying this years new see if you can find last years new. The watea had a better graphic last year anyways. Bluehouse MRs can be had for little money too.

 

 

post #3 of 54
Thread Starter 
Im 5' 7" 130 pounds. Since I doubt I'll have money for skis in college I was going to buy a bit big and hope they last a few seasons.

I plan on buying last years model unless they have made big changes in design, like with the mantra and prophet. How far into the season do they sell out of last years skis?
post #4 of 54

Hard to go wrong with any of the skis on that list!  But, most of the models are 2012, you said you are looking at 2011's.  Good luck finding a versatile all-mountain ski left over from last year; they are tough to locate. 

post #5 of 54
Thread Starter 
Oh, and if it matters, I would be a level 8 skier.
post #6 of 54

I would suggest going to a bigger ski.  Armada JJ or  S7 or similar.  Going to be much better in pow and crud than a 100mm and suprisingly nice on groomers.

post #7 of 54

The Watea is a good choice for your weight and is one of the few on your list that is a true twin. (yes, the powder hull is a marketing gimmick but it is harmless) The P-98 is an excellent choice as far as flex and performance and it has enough of a kicktail that it would probably work for you. (not a flat tail, but I wouldn't call it a twin) The Shogun and Hell and back are really good too but again..........no twin.

 

Other possibles.....

 

Volkl Bridge. Far better ski than the Mantra and a twin to boot. Mantra is a flat tail.

Atomic Snoop (2011) Very good choice and we have a couple few left from last year for ~~ $300.

 

Generally, any left over 2011 inventory in this popular category was sold out long ago.

 

SJ

post #8 of 54
Thread Starter 


 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

I would suggest going to a bigger ski.  Armada JJ or  S7 or similar.  Going to be much better in pow and crud than a 100mm and surprisingly nice on groomers.


 

I thought about the 105-110 category, but I think I would rather stay smaller. I drive up from the bay area, generally when it is most convenient, not when it has been snowing. 

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The Watea is a good choice for your weight and is one of the few on your list that is a true twin. (yes, the powder hull is a marketing gimmick but it is harmless) The P-98 is an excellent choice as far as flex and performance and it has enough of a kicktail that it would probably work for you. (not a flat tail, but I wouldn't call it a twin) The Shogun and Hell and back are really good too but again..........no twin.

 

Other possibles.....

 

Volkl Bridge. Far better ski than the Mantra and a twin to boot. Mantra is a flat tail.

Atomic Snoop (2011) Very good choice and we have a couple few left from last year for ~~ $300.

 

Generally, any left over 2011 inventory in this popular category was sold out long ago.

 

SJ


 

So far, I have yet to require a rear tip in deep snow. All the backwards skiing and landings are done on hard pack. Unless there's a chance I might want a full rear tip in the future as I progress and improve, a semi tip will do just fine.

 

I looked at the bridges, but they seem a bit small at 95mm. How do they handle powder?

 

The powder hull not only looks like a gimmick to me, but a design flaw. Wouldn't the "prow" increase the ski weight and drag, along with cutting through the powder in stead of floating? If you think about boat design, isn't that shape made to cut through waves, while the skiff shape is made for skimming above shallow swamps? I've never tried out the ski, but it just seems wrong....

post #9 of 54

Don't worry about a few mm. The flex/rocker is more important than a small change in width. Besides you had a 91, a 96, and several 98's on your list and some of those 98's are not as good as the Bridge in deep snow. Beside-besides.......you say you don't drive up when it is snowing so it's unlikely that you'll have to worry about truly deep snow performance.

 

Your concerns over the boat hull tip are unfounded. The Watea 98 is the lightest of all the skis you've listed, the flex and the rocker allows it to float better than any of the other 98's. It really isn't a flaw at all as Fischer has been using this design for some time and it was previously used by Dynastar as well.

 

SJ

post #10 of 54
Thread Starter 

You're right, really deep snow performance is not what I'm after. On the other hand, I do want to feel comfortable in powder. Right now I would say my top four are the Bonafide, Watea, and Prophet and maybe the Bridge, in that order. 

 

The reason I am gravitating to this category is my friend's shoguns. I tried them for two runs on gate 8 at squaw, and they performed great in the powder, but were still agile enough for the terrain. Even though 95mm is close to a lot of the skis I'm looking at, my comparison would be the 101mm shoguns (until it finally snows and I have an excuse to drive up and demo), so I wonder if the bridges would perform well in comparison to that fatter ski.

post #11 of 54

You've got your list narrowed down pretty well now. The Shogun is also really good. It would be tough to go wrong with any of them but just be aware to take note of the tail profiles. The Shogun and the Bonafide don't have very much tail kickup and might not be great for switch landings.

 

SJ

post #12 of 54
Thread Starter 

Could you give me an idea as to how much 'not very much' is? I honestly can't remember what the tips are like on the shoguns. I do remember skiing mountain run backwards during night skiing with that said friend, and he had no problems. :D

post #13 of 54

The tails are both fairly flat.  Going switch on mountain run is one thing, landing switch on a jump is another (and for that sort of thing the Bridge would be better).  So it just depends on your needs.
 

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Could you give me an idea as to how much 'not very much' is? I honestly can't remember what the tips are like on the shoguns. I do remember skiing mountain run backwards during night skiing with that said friend, and he had no problems. :D



 

post #14 of 54

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Yup!

 

SJ

post #15 of 54
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

...you say you don't drive up when it is snowing

 

That is not what OP said.

 

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Originally Posted by vbghyu5 View Post

 I drive up from the bay area, generally when it is most convenient, not when it has been snowing. 

 

To OP:

 

I think another thing to consider is if you ski/land switch a lot, you will want to center mount and you probably will prefer twin tips. It may also boil down to how much park riding you do.

post #16 of 54
Thread Starter 
What I meant by that was although I try to get out there when the snow is good, I take what I can. On those days when the conditions aren't great, I tend more towards park for the desired fun.

The bonafide probably doesnt have enough of a twin tip for what I'd like to do with them. I would say Im looling for a turned up tail sort thing at a minimum.
post #17 of 54

Within the year you will have buyers remorse you didn't go wider.  Especially at Squaw where the dumps are huge and heavy.

post #18 of 54

BTW, I ski Squaw and the JJ is my one ski quiver.  Beats the crap out of any of the others discussed here, and Ive skiied most of them.

post #19 of 54
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BTW, I ski Squaw and the JJ is my one ski quiver.  Beats the crap out of any of the others discussed here, and Ive skiied most of them.



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SJ

post #20 of 54

 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

BTW, I ski Squaw and the JJ is my one ski quiver.  Beats the crap out of any of the others discussed here, and Ive skiied most of them.

 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

Within the year you will have buyers remorse you didn't go wider.  Especially at Squaw where the dumps are huge and heavy.


But are you only 5'7" and 130lb? It is not what is best for YOU but for the OP. 

 

post #21 of 54

Close.  5'9" 150lbs.

 

Just trying to help.  Why are you so bothered that someone disagrees with you?

post #22 of 54
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Close.  5'9" 150lbs.

 

Just trying to help.  Why are you so bothered that someone disagrees with you?


 

You seem to be bothered than me, in post 8 the OP respectfully thanked you for the suggestion of the JJ and S7 and says he wants to be in the 100mm range, you are the one adamant that YOUR ski decision is better and he will have remorse if he doesn't agree with you. 

 

The 100 range is a great one ski choice for Tahoe and Squaw it is the most popular segment in sales and for good reason. SJ narrowed the OP's list down to 3-4 great options that he will be very happy with. I will say a JJ, S7 or even a DP112 would be an awesome addition as a powder ski for any of the skis listed too for a 20 day a year skier. 

post #23 of 54
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Originally Posted by vbghyu5 View Post

What I meant by that was although I try to get out there when the snow is good, I take what I can. On those days when the conditions aren't great, I tend more towards park for the desired fun.


Your initial list is primarily skis that will not be all that happy in a park. So you may need to think about what you rank as most important. IMO the Bridge is a great ski for what you seem to want (all-around with some grip, park chops, not for truly deep), but it's fairly stiff for your size. Personally, I'd gravitate more to something like a Moment PB&J or K2 Kung Fujas if I were emphasizing softer snow + park, or the Rossi S4 Scratch or Dynastar 6th Sense Distorter if you are more about groomers + park. 

 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

Within the year you will have buyers remorse you didn't go wider.  Especially at Squaw where the dumps are huge and heavy.


Yeah, like right now. Donner's really clogged with drifts, huh? Or when OP states that he doesn't drive up (when it's been snowing)...

 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

BTW, I ski Squaw and the JJ is my one ski quiver.  Beats the crap out of any of the others discussed here, and Ive skiied most of them.


roflmao.gifroflmao.gif They'll really slay some Squaw afternoon scratch.

 

post #24 of 54

Ok,  I see.  Who in their right mind would want to ski when it's snowing?  Yes, that's the worst time to ski.  Lets gear our ski choice around the worst of possible conditions.  

 

Makes sense guys.  Thanks for correcting me.  Who knew I was doing it all wrong?

post #25 of 54

One more thing.  If you are only going to ski groomers then get race skis.  Best tool for that job.  They are the best for any firm conditions if that's what you ski the most.

post #26 of 54
Thread Starter 

Anyway....Thank you all for the help. Lets hope there's some snow in Tahoe and I can test out all these options all of you have helped come up with. 

post #27 of 54

If you can get the chance to demo, go demo.  I tried out numerous of the skis on your list last season while I was looking for a powder ski a little wider then my Johny 94's.  I'm 5'5" about 140, female, was teaching at Castle mountain and had lots of powder to play in last year.

 

I ended up not particularily liking any of the skis that were highly recommended (they were fine, just not as fun as what I was on) accept for one, and that was the K2 Kung Fuja which I loved, but in the end, decided not to buy as it was to close to what I was already skiing, a park powder twin tip, though the K2 was, imo, more fun, and faster with a lighter touch and landing then my jonny which I also like..

 

I found the salomon csar and S7 stiff and un responsive, it surfed in powder but to me felt like wood under my feet.  I took the Gottama cat skiing for a day, again, wasn't overly impressed.  To keep it really short, I could go over the characteristics and what I thought was good and bad on each ski but the important thing is, it was entirely different then what people who skied with me thought I'd think of them and then what other people thought of them.  Just because I Iove the K2 Kungfujas, doesn't mean you'll like them at all. 

 

Read about each ski, think about how you ski and what skis according to reviews seem to excel with your ski style.  Narrow it down and try out a few.  If none of them work, try something you weren't expecting.  I did, btw, at my weight, find I had lots of float with my 94's in powder, not to say I won't get more with a wider ski, I just didn't find a wider ski in those I tried that made me go wow, gotta have it.

 

 

post #28 of 54

Did you even read the OP?  He can't control when he goes.  Sometimes it will be snowing, sometimes it won't.  He needs ONE ski.  100mm range makes sense to me, and that's pretty wide for someone his weight.
 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

Ok,  I see.  Who in their right mind would want to ski when it's snowing?  Yes, that's the worst time to ski.  Lets gear our ski choice around the worst of possible conditions.  

 

Makes sense guys.  Thanks for correcting me.  Who knew I was doing it all wrong?



 

post #29 of 54

Real skiers ski powder on 74mm waisted skis and like it!!!!!
 

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Originally Posted by white wizzard View Post

Ok,  I see.  Who in their right mind would want to ski when it's snowing?  Yes, that's the worst time to ski.  Lets gear our ski choice around the worst of possible conditions.  

 

Makes sense guys.  Thanks for correcting me.  Who knew I was doing it all wrong?



 

post #30 of 54
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

Did you even read the OP?  He can't control when he goes.  Sometimes it will be snowing, sometimes it won't.  He needs ONE ski.  100mm range makes sense to me, and that's pretty wide for someone his weight.
 



 


Yeah.  I heard him.  Its called an opinion idiot.  Mine may be different than yours.  No need to get your panties in a wad over it.

 

It was my OPINION that for Squaw Valley , which is where I ski, that the JJ would be a great one ski quiver.  If groomers are you thing then Squaw is a terrible place to be.  If you ski the non groomed Squaw terrain , which is why Squaw is so awesome, then the JJ or similar is a great tool for enjoying what Squaw is all about.  100mm skis are OK but are not nearly as good when there has been fresh snow recently.  I'd rather have a ski which is great in the most fun conditions and OK in less ideal conditions than a ski which is mediocre for everything.

 

But, again, that is my OPINION.

 

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