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Background on my ability:  I live in MN and as you can imagine we only have large hills here. I have been skiing for 30 years, everywhere from UP in Michagan to Winter Park (skied outhouse), breckenridge (skied the bowls and the lake chutes) and copper (various bowls)....now i dont claim to be an expert but definitly an advanced skier. five foot 7 inches tall and about 200 pounds with a athletic stocky body type.

 

I got back into skiig about 4 years ago after a dry spell and bought some rossignal bandits XXX that are about 191 in length and i bought them new unmounted for 25 bucks and i threw some salamon bindings on them and ripped the hills up for 3 years. now they are not shape skis but they do have some sort of parabolic shape to them. they were probably 8 years old so not the newer bandits you see all over the place

 

so my question! I bought some Liberty SB170 twin tips with the machine gun snow patrol graphics....170 in length, well they have a waist of about 98 and i tried to ski them the other day with some Marker grifferon schizzo bindings and let me say I wasn't impressed. In the skis defense I was skiing on all man made ice garbage snow and I wanted them for spins as well as the small amounts of powder we get here in MN. I think I was trying to be too agressive with my turns? I think maybe I need to ski them differently but need some feedback. I dont mind having them in my quiver and just using them on pow days or if I head out to Colorado or Montana. I also feel like they are too short for me? Maybe I just need to give them another chance? I want to play in the park as well as rip the mountain but on groomers they seemed lacking for a better word?

 

When I was in Colorado I skied some Rossi avenger 74's in a 167 length and they carved well and ran the moguls decent but at high speeds at the bottom of the bowls there was a lot of chatter and the skis seemed unstable at very high speed. I only add this info for reference as I have skied shorter skis (167's in this case) so i understand their limitations with a heavier skier who is aggressively charging on them.

 

I also picked up some Blizzard GS magnesium skis in 185 length never mounted for 50 bucks and am going to move my bindings from my older bandit XXX;s but they have a radius of 27....are these going to be harder then hell to carve? I have skied many a straight ski back in the day so I am no stranger to skis that don't have a radius of 15......

 

My technique is pretty solid but I need to make it mesh properly with the newer more advanced gear that is prevelant now adays...

 

any comments or feedback would be appreciated

 

 

post #2 of 5

yes and yes.

 

27m radius ski in minnesota makes no sense. don't buy them unless you are on lutsen's doorstep. You'll literally make 2-3 turns down the hill.

 

a 98mm waisted skin in mn also doesn't make any sense. its primarily man made boilerplate with very little vertical. a carver is much better suited unless you are doing park only.

 

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Originally Posted by mnpedro75 View Post

Background on my ability:  I live in MN and as you can imagine we only have large hills here. I have been skiing for 30 years, everywhere from UP in Michagan to Winter Park (skied outhouse), breckenridge (skied the bowls and the lake chutes) and copper (various bowls)....now i dont claim to be an expert but definitly an advanced skier. five foot 7 inches tall and about 200 pounds with a athletic stocky body type.

 

I got back into skiig about 4 years ago after a dry spell and bought some rossignal bandits XXX that are about 191 in length and i bought them new unmounted for 25 bucks and i threw some salamon bindings on them and ripped the hills up for 3 years. now they are not shape skis but they do have some sort of parabolic shape to them. they were probably 8 years old so not the newer bandits you see all over the place

 

so my question! I bought some Liberty SB170 twin tips with the machine gun snow patrol graphics....170 in length, well they have a waist of about 98 and i tried to ski them the other day with some Marker grifferon schizzo bindings and let me say I wasn't impressed. In the skis defense I was skiing on all man made ice garbage snow and I wanted them for spins as well as the small amounts of powder we get here in MN. I think I was trying to be too agressive with my turns? I think maybe I need to ski them differently but need some feedback. I dont mind having them in my quiver and just using them on pow days or if I head out to Colorado or Montana. I also feel like they are too short for me? Maybe I just need to give them another chance? I want to play in the park as well as rip the mountain but on groomers they seemed lacking for a better word?

 

When I was in Colorado I skied some Rossi avenger 74's in a 167 length and they carved well and ran the moguls decent but at high speeds at the bottom of the bowls there was a lot of chatter and the skis seemed unstable at very high speed. I only add this info for reference as I have skied shorter skis (167's in this case) so i understand their limitations with a heavier skier who is aggressively charging on them.

 

I also picked up some Blizzard GS magnesium skis in 185 length never mounted for 50 bucks and am going to move my bindings from my older bandit XXX;s but they have a radius of 27....are these going to be harder then hell to carve? I have skied many a straight ski back in the day so I am no stranger to skis that don't have a radius of 15......

 

My technique is pretty solid but I need to make it mesh properly with the newer more advanced gear that is prevelant now adays...

 

any comments or feedback would be appreciated

 

 




if you were use to skiing 191 bandit XXX a 170 twin tip is going to feel really short. They are short in fact unless your a midget. And the GS skis will not be much fun either.

 

 

post #4 of 5

Liberty is currently making some really nice skis... the SB is from like 2005? It is one of the WORST skis ever made. The good news is, if you are at all aggressive, you will snap it in half soon enough.

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they are 5 years old and by your comments i am guessing it pretty much explains why they ride like crap...... i am thinking i might try something a bit newer in th mid moutain carving category

 

thanks for the feedback

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