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Salomon Twenty Twelve?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

I'm in the market for a pair of all mountain skiis, and am a bit confused about the Twenty Twelves. Some sites list them as park, and others list them as all mountain skiis. So what exactly are they? I actually wouldnt mind a bit of park influence, as this would be my only pair of skiis in the quiver, but how would that effect its performance?

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The video explains the confusion.

post #3 of 14

I am 42 and to date it is the best ski I have ever had.


The fact that it is a rockered twin with perfect swing weight is the start but the thing is super damp and can carve incredible lines.


As I have said on here before, more people ask me about my skis in the lift line than ever. 


I never cared it was a park ski when I bought it.  I saw the shape, flexed it, full sidewall and said "mount 'em up".  They just looked butter from the moment I saw them. 


Whatever you do - mount them true center!!!!!!!!!!!!



post #4 of 14

For what it's worth, I didn't like them.  When SwellHunter says they are "super damp", he isn't kidding!  Too damp for me.  In the Salomon line, I liked the Shogun better than the twenty twelve, but that may be because I had very different expectations for the two skis.

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

I know Salomon calls them an all mountain ski, but some review sites have said they are park skis, and listed them in the park category. I was asking what about the ski's design lends them to the park.

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The ski is the same but in 2011 when it first came out it was marketed as park/pipe and then when guys rode it and saw what it could do they changed the marketing up for this year. 


You can find Mike Douglas talking the ski up for the 2010-11 season as a park-pipe ski that is also an "all-mountain ruler" but this year he calls it an all-mountain ski and even notes the up to a 186.


What makes it good in the park is light swing weight and balance, center-mount (but not a true twin tip), and plenty of pop.


And Jake, isn't the Shogun capped?


That is a whole other topic.  Let's assume he wants a sidewall ski for now. 


To the OP, if you are not sure about the difference in feel between capped and sidewall skis you need to do some demos before you buy.


post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

I was aware that there are different edge constructions, but I thought sidewall was always better, just more expsensive. Other than a higher swing weight, isn't the stronger edge construction advantageous in all situations?

Edited by vbghyu5 - 12/19/11 at 7:49pm
post #8 of 14

Better is very subjective.  From ski geeks you usually will get the "sidewall only" discussion but that is not the law.


For example, Jake may well ski twice as good as you and I combined and he likes the wider capped Shogun.


When I think of a good sidewall all mountain ski I would think something like a Volkl Mantra or the narrower Kendo.  But those skis are animals compared to the 2012.  A lot has to do with the rocker built into the 2012 yet camber underfoot.  It makes the ski so much more playful than a stiffer all mountain ski yet it feels extremely sure underfoot from rock hard eastern groomers to crud to pow.




post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Im starting to really like the twenty twelve, but my only concern is the many reviews saying they are too soft. Even positive reviews say they are "buttery" or "smooth". I guess I just need to demo and figure it out for myself, but I havent found a shop that will demo them.
post #10 of 14

Sounds like a plan. 


Good Luck.


post #11 of 14

Male 5'11  180lbs

skiing 25 years


Current Skis in the rotations Kastle mx88 174, DPS 112rp 184, and now Salomon Twenty Twelve 179 (look pivot 14's)


I've read plenty of ski reviews over the years, but never posted one.  I feel like it's time to pay it forward and why not do it on a ski that may be a bit of an enigma to many.  I say that because it is listed I believe as free-ski all mountain, but the design has park influences as well as a suggested center binding mount.  


First I hate buying skis.  I love reading about them and owning them, but actually pulling the trigger on a pair can be daunting.  Most of us rely on the reviews, which may or may not be accurate for a particular style or intended use, and a few of us get lucky enough to hit a demo day.  The consequences of a poor purchase can be costly and outright depressing.  So I will attempt to put this review in a context as specific as I can in hopes that the information will translate more accurately; as opposed to saying "these skis are sweet."


I view a ski like a hammer.  If you give me a rock, eventually I will figure out how to hammer nails in with it.  A ski is no different for me; eventually I'll change my style to make it work.  For many people that is not the case.  They have a style and either the ski matches and works or it does not.  Why is this important?  Because the Twenty Twelve for us "non park" skiers is not our typical "hammer."  I was looking for a 90-95 underfoot ski that was very maneuverable and agile.  The primary intended use was going to be trees and moguls, but I didn't want to hate the fact they were on my feet while I skied my way around the rest of the mountain.  Enter the Salomon Twenty Twelve.  The design takes its cue from the park, where you see agility on skis at it's finest. That agility transfers well into the trees and moguls.  On groomers I found the skis to have solid edge control, but as expected not like my MX88s.  I found they preformed better when I skied them on what felt like the tips and aggressively (short and quicker turns).  The ski has a spring to it that makes transitioning between turns effortless and the harder I skied them the more the skis wanted to please.  Some of the reviews describe the ski as playful and that is dead on.


The 800 lb. gorilla in the room for many of us on the Twenty Twelve is the suggested center mounting of the bindings.  For a twin tip all mountain ski, many will recommend as much as 6cm off ski center for mounting.  The reason for this is to let the tails sink in deeper snow and to keep the tips from diving.  Honestly the center mounting was a little for me to get past.  But at the same time the ski was designed to perform that way and my intended use is not as a powder ski (DPS 112rp).  So I mounted them in the center and have zero regrets.  As a matter of fact, those park rats may be on to something (you guys amaze me and I mean that with nothing but respect).  The center mounting on this particular ski seemed to add to the stability in the bumps and the trees where I can get knocked in the "backseat" from time to time.  The backseat on a traditionally mounted ski with rocker in the tail is a recipe for a wash out; there just isn't enough tail to ski.  On the twenty twelve that extra tail from the center mount seem to give me time to get back on the ski while maintaining control.  In the bumps I didn't notice for a second that I had a little more ski behind me hanging up my turns.


In summary I found exactly what I was looking for in the Salomon Twenty Twelve and more.  It is a unique ski that seems to find a blend of the agility one would look for in a tree/mogul ski and the stability one would hope for in more of an all mountain set up.  The "and more" for me is what I find to be the intangible.  Let's face it, many of us that frequently buy skis are looking not only for a ski, but a possibility!  That possibility that the new ski you buy will take you closer to being the skier you've always wanted to be.  The Twenty Twelve may not be that holy grail but I found its performance nothing short of inspiring.  

post #12 of 14

I'd mount them on the "classic stance" line for All Mountain use, were they under me...... ymmv

post #13 of 14

@ Bgrath.  This discussion is probably dead, but I really appreciate your detailed review of the Salomon Twenty Twelve.  I am new to the forum and am in the market for my first ski purchase.  Right now I'm torn between the Salomon Lord and Salomon Twenty Twelve.  I'm looking for an all-mountain ski that can get me started at a reasonable price.  Your review helped settle any hesitation I had regarding the 2012 being a park ski.


I've come across a used pair I might be able to get for around $300 with bindings.  It was a demo ski but is in good condition.


I'd consider myself an intermediate skier at 5'10" 175lbs, skiing in CO once a year.  Would the twenty twelve 171cm work for my size/skill level?


If vbghyu5 is still around, I'd like to know what decision you made.

post #14 of 14

If you are truly an intermediate the 171cm could be ok for you, for now.  If you are more of an advanced intermediate, they are likely a bit too short for you.  They have both rocker and are twintips and will ski short.  The 179cm model is probably the better ski for you.  I'm a little taller (6' 1"), heavier (185lbs), and more experienced (Level 7+ish) and I would choose the 186cm.




Originally Posted by rmontgo1 View Post


I've come across a used pair I might be able to get for around $300 with bindings.  It was a demo ski but is in good condition.


I'd consider myself an intermediate skier at 5'10" 175lbs, skiing in CO once a year.  Would the twenty twelve 171cm work for my size/skill level?


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