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post #31 of 37

I am also the same size as you, slightly heavier, and to be honest, I think that the 192 Atomic Bentchetlers would be a good fit for you. They kill the powder, but can carve a decent turn on what passes for hardpack in BC as well. I bought mine to be a one ski quiver for trips out to BC. I haven't had my pair in powder yet, but I did ski the 183s in powder. Just for fun, I took them out to my 150 ft vertical home hill, on conditions that can only be described as the worst ever. We have been skiing on manmade ice for the whole season, just started to get natural snow this week. The first few runs were weird, but eventually I worked up to the point where I felt like I could carve the Chetlers as well as I could on my everyday park skis. They may not be great carvers, and that may not fit your style of skiing. However, the Bentchetlers fit my style perfectly.

post #32 of 37

With regard to bigger guys and ski length...I am 6' and 220 pounds...athletic more than heavy I'd say...for a guy who likes east coast trees AND bumps...am I crazy to be on a 187 bonafide instead of a 180, or crazy NOT to be on a ski of that length. I have other skis in my quiver that are shorter, but for the widest ski in my quiver (Bones), I wonder if I should have gone shorter for trees and bumps...any insight would be great. Thanks!

post #33 of 37

Your solution is not to look for the ski that does everything - that only exists in the mind of the Ad agency pimping for the ski companies. What you need is a four ski quiver!smile.gif

 

At 240#, I find so called race carvers like the Head ispeed to be wimpy imitations of the real thing. I've had 24meter women's World Cup race skis, and I just overpower them.  Get a pair of full World Cup 27meter radius men's race skis in 188 or 191, and you'll discover a new world of fun and speed when you are skiing on firm groomers.  My 3 year old Fischers are great, and very forgiving, but my new Head WC race stock GS are a step above them with fantastic edge power. When I'm skiing at a place like Whistler I spend about 60% of my time on them. Nothing like carving a 3G turn and almost instantaneously moving into the next turn with equal power. Buy last years model and they'll only cost about 1/2 as much as a new pair of all-rounders that do nothing well.

 

Next I'd suggest a middle of the road ski--- a shorter, relatively straight medium flex, torsional stiff ski that you can enjoy in bumps,  carve shorter radius turns on groomers and bash thru ankle biter powder on.  Avoid extreme sidecuts if you ski in the bumps.

 

Third, an all around soft snow ski.  For me its a five year old pair of 191 cm Fischer Watea 101's prototypes with a 135 tip width and a lot of carbon in the construction. The K2 Coomback is a similar kind of ski. 130-100-122 more or less.

 

Now its time for a Gen X ski.  Early rise, rocker and big widths have their uses when the powder is deep, windblown, wet, or just trashed by ski traffic.  My personal favorite (but I haven't coughed up the dough yet) is the DPS 112 Wailer at 190 cm.  Lots of other skis in this category but don't go too short.

 

Since you are a strong skier and ski a lot you'll use them up!  Why buy a new pair of skis every year that don't do anything very well when you can have the right tool for the job?

 

 

post #34 of 37

Dear nvr2late,

 

IMHO Bigger is only better if your the dude in the movies ripping big mountain lines in Alaska, Chamonix or something like that.A 177-180cm ski is plenty for you and I, especially if your running 96mm or better wastes .A 177 cm ski at current trends in width, has the same running surface as a world cup down hill ski of yesteryear, (ie. 222cm DHR) but now they float, carve and rip like nothing I have ever seen before 5 years ago, and with very little input and effort on the part of the skier. I have had a difficult time as have many, and, I expect you are no exception to the rule that "short skis still suck". Well surprise they don't. And as a guy who grew up with the likes of Glen Plake and the late Shawn Palmer, I can keep up with well just about anyone even at 43 years of age. I ski less bumps than I did in the day but that's because I never really liked moguls as much as I liked going fast and steep. So in short I will never buy a ski taller than me again because there is no real reason for it as my ego and libido are now trained that its what I do on the slope with the boards strapped to my feet not how much bigger they are than I am in the Tram Line or the preconceived notion that was ingrained in me from the years of skinny straight skis. So yeah back east is a place that does not really necessitate the big mountain ski of 187 and bigger, at all. But if you can turn em and they are working for you keep them, or sell them to someone on the classified or flea-bay and get a 180 I think you will be pleasantly surprised..

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With regard to bigger guys and ski length...I am 6' and 220 pounds...athletic more than heavy I'd say...for a guy who likes east coast trees AND bumps...am I crazy to be on a 187 bonafide instead of a 180, or crazy NOT to be on a ski of that length. I have other skis in my quiver that are shorter, but for the widest ski in my quiver (Bones), I wonder if I should have gone shorter for trees and bumps...any insight would be great. Thanks!


I am 5'10" and 200lbs and I have skis between 179 and 196. The Bonafide has a bit of tip and tail rocker, so at our size, I would buy the 187, as it will ski/feel like a 179ish on piste ski. Having the extra length in soft/powder conditions is noice.  Just depends on what you like.  Most people on this site go shorter than I would.  The other point is, I really don't ski many bumps, preferring to seek out the untracked snow.

 

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I am 5'10" and 200lbs and I have skis between 179 and 196. The Bonafide has a bit of tip and tail rocker, so at our size, I would buy the 187, as it will ski/feel like a 179ish on piste ski. Having the extra length in soft/powder conditions is noice.  Just depends on what you like.  Most people on this site go shorter than I would.  The other point is, I really don't ski many bumps, preferring to seek out the untracked snow.

 



Yep totally agree.Nice ski just got home after demoing the Bodacious,Cochise and Bone!!  I'm in love with them all for different reasons. Got 12 inches really light pow yesterday. Smallish mountain tracked up fast buy noon. -16 all day and night until today. -6 crud galore they never groomed just left the fluffy crud. It was the perfect day to see what a crud buster these were. These are the most common conditions I ski hear.

 

  Bodacious just destroyed everything in its path!! What a monster in the crud!! Higher the speed the better. it would explode foot and half tuffs of crud light dynamite like it wasn't even there. Turned amazing for a 120 under foot. They only had the 186 witch was good but I can see me being on the 196 in this ski and just let them go over any thing any time. The Cochise was like this also. Only had a nimbler feel when laying them over in the crud. There was a groomed spot after a big jump i got to make a few turns before heading at 40+++mph back into the crud. This ski I could ski everyday i feel. i only took two runs on each. But from what I could tell the Cochise is the bomb!! Felt like my Nordica Jetfuels on steroids!!

The Bonified was a great ski also. I can see this being a ski for 200LB guys or less as a one quiver. At 98 under foot it turns like a ski much narrower. A little easier to turn then the Cochise and lot more forgiving because you dont feel like bombing as much as the other two. They like turning in the crud and did a very good job of that!! Not as wide open as the Bodacious or Cochise can do but very smooth none the less. This ski should cover most days on the mountain up to a foot of powder for the heavy guys up to 200LBS. Would make a great groomer fat ski also.

 I dont know why the tips don't dive and stay up so well. {flip Core} perhaps? They do just stay were they should be and are very good at really high speeds tucking the run outs on the steeps. I could straight line any one of these in the foot deep busted up tracked out powder no problem. Then when I wanted to GS the crud at speed they just did it!! The Cochise seemed the best at this. it also makes shorter radius on demand. i like it!!

 

 Also tryed the Elan Amphibio. Pretty good ski also. Be best suited for a 190lb guy or less though. The tips like short radius turns best. i tryed Maching them and they weren't to happy with me. They dove down in a few larger piles of crud and almost sent me over! Not what I'm looking for.

 Tryed some Faction twins also at 112. 3.Zero. Couldn't wait to get off them! Lifeless.

 

   All the skis were in the 186. I really really want to try the 196 Cochise now. That and the Longer Gotama. That 107-108 under foot has got my attention. In the longer length skied fast they float me pretty good. Not the surfy feel of the EP pro. But the rest of what they do well makes up for it. i can see how guys can ski the Bodacious as a one quiver. But really for me the Cochise as that extra ease of laying them over that makes them better for me day in and out.

 

   I took two runs on my Jet fuels at the end. i love these skis also. They do great in crud and groomers. But I would have to say the Cochise was the winner. i see how it was the ski of the year. If ya can try them. I don't think it would matter what conditions your on you'll like them if your 220-230 like me.

 

post #37 of 37

Whipper,

 

The cochise sounds like a good ski and I will have to try it. I skied on a pair of 178 cm Ullr's Chariot's all season on the East Coast. They required a good tune since the factory messed it up, but this is a true one ski quiver. I am 6'4", 250 lbs and the 178 cm skis like a fat slalom ski on ice, and works incredible in mashed potato snow. They are relatively stiff, since a 178 cm can handle my weight with no problem. I have heard they are really good in powder, (none back east this year) although not quite as good as a soft dedicated powder ski. If you get a chance to try them, I would suggest the 188 cm length, do so. I guarantee if you want a ski to take to the mountain without knowing the conditions and want to be able to ski whatever you want, the Chariot will be one of the best.

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