New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Critique please - Page 3

post #61 of 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashski View Post

 


 

Inclination 1.jpg

 

 

Canadian demo team.png

 

 

 

 



Ashski. I agree with you about the sking presented in these pictures. There is a difference though. The first picture is from a small Swedish resort called Vemdalen (actually one of my home resorts), the surface is cannon ice, the slope "Hovde" is a very steep black run and the skiers are newbie instructors that work at the resort. Outside the race groups I see very few people who look impressive there. The second picture is the Canadian Demo team skiing on what appears to be hero snow.

 

This is also related to BWPAs comment about that many people can do retraction turns like WC skiers and that it is not that hard. That may be true on most normal slopes, but to carve ice on a steep black I would say is extremely difficult, and IMO this is one big difference between WC skiers and normal "resort heroes". To start with, most people don´t even have the equipment to theoretically pull that off.

post #62 of 65
Thread Starter 

I had no idea what kind of world I was entering here. This is almost like talking politics but Im sure these discussions have been around for years. I was quite confused at first by the arguments but after reading all the posts several times I am starting to figure it out. At least I think so. I am trying to formulate a sequence of events that I would like to practice and eventually adopt. So here is a proposed sequence:

I am assuming when you first start down a run you begin in the transition/float/unedged phase while you pick up some speed then,

tip skis on edge focusing on little toe pressure on the inside ski by shifting hips inside with significant knee flexion while counterbalancing keeping weight on outside ski and trying to keeps hips as level (or lumbar spine more vertical) as possible to avoid inclination, then the downhill knee begins to extend out and a light pole plant directed downhill from downhill boot. then flex the down hill hip more to unweight the ski (this is where much of the arguing has been about) and then move the hips again to the inside tipping the new inside ski w/ little toe pressure and counterbalance. repeat repeatedly

1. is this in the ballpark?

2. Is this like the golf swing where I shouldnt think about all this stuff at once cause Ill miss the ball entirely and instead just focus on individual movements?

thanks again for all the help. this is truly priceless

agreen

 

post #63 of 65

To avoid misquote and put things in context. In a way, you both are kind of in agreement but BWPA did not say exactly what you describeed.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamt View Post


This is also related to BWPAs comment about that many people can do retraction turns like WC skiers and that it is not that hard. That may be true on most normal slopes, but to carve ice on a steep black I would say is extremely difficult, and IMO this is one big difference between WC skiers and normal "resort heroes". To start with, most people don´t even have the equipment to theoretically pull that off.


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post



I think anyone with enough time can ski 95 percent as well as shiffin outside of a course. I see dozen of people everyday who can make great SL retraction turns I can as well, they are REALLY not that hard its how to apply them and be fast that is the hard part as what seperates a hack doing SL turns like myself from a world class athelte like shiffrin.

 

issue one most people do not have the time

issue two most people learn the wrong way

issue three coaches do not realize how to make the movements based on "her rule breaking"

issue four the majority of ski instructors would be owned by an average J3 in turn like this because they are so concerned with 'whats" proper instead of what actually work so I have no idea how they are going to teach people to turn like this.

 

 


 

To clarify another point, this is BWPA's original quote, not Rusty's.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post


PSIA has to stop with their anti retraction/aft transition dogma. The stuff works if your committed and realize how it works

 

post #64 of 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by agreen View Post

 

2. Is this like the golf swing where I shouldnt think about all this stuff at once cause Ill miss the ball entirely and instead just focus on individual movements?

 



yes

 

That's way too much stuff. At the end of the day you need to do two things - balance over your outside ski and change edges. All that other stuff is the minutiae that gets you there. At most think of one of those things at a time. I think you need to back off and be more gentle to your skis. Put them on edge and let them turn you. Think big picture as well as small, instead of thinking about what your pinkie toe is doing, you could think about ski-performance - what is it you are trying to make (or let) your ski do, and then do it. Picture your skis as fighter jets turning in formation through a series of S-turns. Picture how the planes would bank through the turns with the wings only level for an instant. Picture what those fighter jets do when the wings are level - they go the direction they are pointed they have very little yaw - that is to say that their tails don't slide through the turn much - yours do - stop that. I'm sure you can picture what I'm talking about, but here's some inspiration anyway.

post #65 of 65

Cool video

 

Great analogy

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Instruction & Coaching