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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

I'm interested in making my own wax.  I've read through multiple threads on this forum about making wax, and haven't quite gotten the info that I'm looking for.  It's like I missed the most basic first step, so none of the info really makes sense to me.  So I'm just going to ask very simply:

 

1) I understand that wax is traditionally paraffin, hardener and additives.  Can someone detail the process by which these are combined?

 

2) I'd like my wax to be environmentally friendly, but I am quite uninformed.  I know that fluorocarbons are a no-no, but are the hydrocarbons in the paraffin safe?  I've seen some companies advertise natural and sustainable waxes, but the ingredients are heavily (and understandably) guarded.  Can anybody shed some light on this?

 

3) How is everybody creating their molds?

 

4) Any other resources like tutorials, or a good materials supplier would be greatly appreciated. 

 

I'm not looking to save money here, really more just to understand what is going into the base of my board and why.  And if there is anybody out there who is doing a "green" wax and isn't trying to monetize it, please share your results, you'd be doing a lot of people a big favor.


Edited by MittensAndBeer - 12/14/11 at 10:06am
post #2 of 12
Thread Starter 

Bump.  C'mon people.

post #3 of 12

I don't think anyone wants to help you set up your own wax manufacturing business.  Besides, how many of us really want to create our own wax?  We'd rather be skiing.  Personally, I use Racewax.com hydrocarbon wax.  

 

Maybe you need to go to a chemistry forum.  I think there might be less than 3 people here (I know of only one) who make their own wax.  And, the guy I know of, sells his wax, it's not for his own use.  So, why would he want to help you?

 

Here's a link to "green" (as in environmentally friendly, not green as in for cold conditions) waxes, should you wish to buy some:  http://www.racewax.com/category/ski-and-snowboard-wax.90-soy-ski-wax/

post #4 of 12

One of these seasons we should do a 'ski with Dr. D' day.

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

 


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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I don't think anyone wants to help you set up your own wax manufacturing business.  Besides, how many of us really want to create our own wax?  We'd rather be skiing.  Personally, I use Racewax.com hydrocarbon wax.  

 

Maybe you need to go to a chemistry forum.  I think there might be less than 3 people here (I know of only one) who make their own wax.  And, the guy I know of, sells his wax, it's not for his own use.  So, why would he want to help you?

 

Here's a link to "green" (as in environmentally friendly, not green as in for cold conditions) waxes, should you wish to buy some:  http://www.racewax.com/category/ski-and-snowboard-wax.90-soy-ski-wax/


 

What a jerky answer to an honest question.  It's something I'm genuinely interested in and would like to learn more about.  Furthermore, were I looking to start a business, I wouldn't do it on the back of a few answers I got at the epic ski forum. From the posts I read, it seemed that there were people posting on this forum who were also interested and had similar questions.  So thanks for assuming the worst about me, and thanks for turing my post into a sales pitch, because it is so very difficult to find somewhere to buy wax.

post #6 of 12

Hey, you were the one saying "C'mon people."  I'm just telling you why no one was interested in your question after three days.  You can see it as jerky, but my answer stands.  We are skiers, not chemists.  There are not many (if any) people who make their own wax on this board.  Sorry you found the link unhelpful.  I don't work for the place, just get my wax there.  
 

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Originally Posted by MittensAndBeer View Post

Bump.  C'mon people.


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Originally Posted by MittensAndBeer View Post

 


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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I don't think anyone wants to help you set up your own wax manufacturing business.  Besides, how many of us really want to create our own wax?  We'd rather be skiing.  Personally, I use Racewax.com hydrocarbon wax.  

 

Maybe you need to go to a chemistry forum.  I think there might be less than 3 people here (I know of only one) who make their own wax.  And, the guy I know of, sells his wax, it's not for his own use.  So, why would he want to help you?

 

Here's a link to "green" (as in environmentally friendly, not green as in for cold conditions) waxes, should you wish to buy some:  http://www.racewax.com/category/ski-and-snowboard-wax.90-soy-ski-wax/


 

What a jerky answer to an honest question.  It's something I'm genuinely interested in and would like to learn more about.  Furthermore, were I looking to start a business, I wouldn't do it on the back of a few answers I got at the epic ski forum. From the posts I read, it seemed that there were people posting on this forum who were also interested and had similar questions.  So thanks for assuming the worst about me, and thanks for turing my post into a sales pitch, because it is so very difficult to find somewhere to buy wax.



 

post #7 of 12

here ya go:

 

"Ingredients and formula for super fast ,all temp, racing ski wax:(1) 5 lbs of paraffin wax(I'm using 160 degree melt temperature wax)
(2) 1/2 lb of paraflint wax hardener (3) a bar of Ivory soap (4) a regular size tube of Crest high fluoride toothpaste (5)a heaping tablespoon of spruce gum(resin from a spruce tree)
The paraffin and paraflint hardener can be easily and cheaply obtained from most candle supply companies.The soap and toothpaste are easy enough.The spruce gum can be obtained from any specie of spruce tree.It exudes from wounds in the bark or broken branches.Make sure it is soft and clean,free from any dirt or bark.
In addition to these ingredients you will also need: An outdoor cookstove or grill,a freezer,a large and small cooking pot,stove mitts,a butterknife,a blender,a clock or watch,a bowl,and a few pie tins or tin bread molds to pour the liquid wax into.
CAUTION:MELTING WAX CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS.IT IS ADVISABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PRESENT WHEN MAKING THIS WAX.MELT IT OUTDOORS AWAY FROM BUILDINGS TO AVOID FIRE.KEEP CHILDREN AND ANIMALS AWAY
Step1-Put the pie tins or tin bread molds in the freezer to get them cold.
Step2-With the butterknife grate the entire bar of soap into the bowl.(you could also use a wood rasp or cheesegrater to grate the soap into tiny pieces.)
Step3-With the butterknife thinly spread the spruce gum on one side of all the bars of paraffin.(To make this easier you may need to warm the gum near a gentle heat source)
Step4-Pour the paraflint into the small cooking pot,put it on the burner and turn on the flame(low heat).
Step5-Put a bar of paraffin in the big cooking pot(gum side up),put it on the burner and turn on the flame(high heat).When the bar melts put in another and when that melts another…until all are melted.(If any impurities rise to the top,skim them off with a spoon or mesh spoon.There shouldn’t be any if the gum is clean.)
Step6-As soon as all bars of wax are melted begin blending the wax and gum while pouring in the soap.Continue blending.(high speed)
Step7-When the soap and wax are thoroughly blended, squeeze the entire tube of toothpaste into the mixture while blending and continue to blend until the toothpaste is thoroughly incorporated into the mixture.
Step8-By now the paraflint hardener should be completely melted.If it is turn off the flame under the small pot of paraflint and pour it into the big pot of wax.
Step9-Continue to blend the mixture for 2 minutes.
Step10-Get the wax molds out of the freezer,turn off the flame of the big pot,put on the stove mitts and carefully pour the hot wax into the molds.(THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS. ALSO,DO NOT POUR THE WAX TO THE TOP OF THE MOLDS)
Step 11-Carefully but quickly put the liquid wax in the freezer.(It is important that the wax cool quickly) Wait for it to harden in the mold.
Step12-You now have a super fast,long lasting, all temp ski wax.Enjoy!
I can’t believe what a racket the ski wax industry is.
Being a recreational ski racer and skiing often I go through a lot of wax. I realized I just couldn’t afford the expensive waxes and powders anymore so I decided to make my own. After much study and experimentation I finally got it.I can’t believe it is so simple and cheap.
WHY IT WORKS:
The addition of the hardener makes the wax fast in cold, dry conditions. Hard wax is also more resistant to dirt and doesn’t wear off as fast.The spruce gum acts as a flexible bonding agent to the base of the ski and a bond and vehicle for the chemicals in the other ingredients.The soap also has some of these properties as well as being a surfactant and detergent to break the surface tension of the layer of water between snow and ski and repel dirt and grease.This is also chemically enhanced by the surfactant in the toothpaste.This makes the ski faster in all conditions and temperatures but is especially helpful in warm weather when snow gets wet and greasy. And the toothpaste? What a cheap way to get fluorinated ski wax! The turpines in the spruce gum and chemicals in the soap and toothpaste combine to chemically alter the fluoride in the toothpaste,bonding and completely suspending it as fluorinate throughout the ski wax during the heated mixing.This makes the wax so much faster. And there you have it- Over 5 lbs of durable,superfast,all temp and condition,fluorinated ski wax for less than $30.
Note:I am not responsible for anything that may happen as a result of anyone reading the above.

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post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 

Wow. Wow. Awesome.  That's amazing.  Thank you so much.  What a wealth of information.  I'll start getting my materials together and hopefully make a go of it in the next week or two.  I'll update with the results.

 

The only thing I'm left wondering, and you may or may not know, is if this wax is environmentally friendly.  If you've got any insights there, I'd love to hear them.  

 

Again, thank you.

 

 

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Originally Posted by natrat View Post

here ya go:

 

"Ingredients and formula for super fast ,all temp, racing ski wax:(1) 5 lbs of paraffin wax(I'm using 160 degree melt temperature wax)
(2) 1/2 lb of paraflint wax hardener (3) a bar of Ivory soap (4) a regular size tube of Crest high fluoride toothpaste (5)a heaping tablespoon of spruce gum(resin from a spruce tree)
The paraffin and paraflint hardener can be easily and cheaply obtained from most candle supply companies.The soap and toothpaste are easy enough.The spruce gum can be obtained from any specie of spruce tree.It exudes from wounds in the bark or broken branches.Make sure it is soft and clean,free from any dirt or bark.
In addition to these ingredients you will also need: An outdoor cookstove or grill,a freezer,a large and small cooking pot,stove mitts,a butterknife,a blender,a clock or watch,a bowl,and a few pie tins or tin bread molds to pour the liquid wax into.
CAUTION:MELTING WAX CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS.IT IS ADVISABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PRESENT WHEN MAKING THIS WAX.MELT IT OUTDOORS AWAY FROM BUILDINGS TO AVOID FIRE.KEEP CHILDREN AND ANIMALS AWAY
Step1-Put the pie tins or tin bread molds in the freezer to get them cold.
Step2-With the butterknife grate the entire bar of soap into the bowl.(you could also use a wood rasp or cheesegrater to grate the soap into tiny pieces.)
Step3-With the butterknife thinly spread the spruce gum on one side of all the bars of paraffin.(To make this easier you may need to warm the gum near a gentle heat source)
Step4-Pour the paraflint into the small cooking pot,put it on the burner and turn on the flame(low heat).
Step5-Put a bar of paraffin in the big cooking pot(gum side up),put it on the burner and turn on the flame(high heat).When the bar melts put in another and when that melts another…until all are melted.(If any impurities rise to the top,skim them off with a spoon or mesh spoon.There shouldn’t be any if the gum is clean.)
Step6-As soon as all bars of wax are melted begin blending the wax and gum while pouring in the soap.Continue blending.(high speed)
Step7-When the soap and wax are thoroughly blended, squeeze the entire tube of toothpaste into the mixture while blending and continue to blend until the toothpaste is thoroughly incorporated into the mixture.
Step8-By now the paraflint hardener should be completely melted.If it is turn off the flame under the small pot of paraflint and pour it into the big pot of wax.
Step9-Continue to blend the mixture for 2 minutes.
Step10-Get the wax molds out of the freezer,turn off the flame of the big pot,put on the stove mitts and carefully pour the hot wax into the molds.(THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS. ALSO,DO NOT POUR THE WAX TO THE TOP OF THE MOLDS)
Step 11-Carefully but quickly put the liquid wax in the freezer.(It is important that the wax cool quickly) Wait for it to harden in the mold.
Step12-You now have a super fast,long lasting, all temp ski wax.Enjoy!
I can’t believe what a racket the ski wax industry is.
Being a recreational ski racer and skiing often I go through a lot of wax. I realized I just couldn’t afford the expensive waxes and powders anymore so I decided to make my own. After much study and experimentation I finally got it.I can’t believe it is so simple and cheap.
WHY IT WORKS:
The addition of the hardener makes the wax fast in cold, dry conditions. Hard wax is also more resistant to dirt and doesn’t wear off as fast.The spruce gum acts as a flexible bonding agent to the base of the ski and a bond and vehicle for the chemicals in the other ingredients.The soap also has some of these properties as well as being a surfactant and detergent to break the surface tension of the layer of water between snow and ski and repel dirt and grease.This is also chemically enhanced by the surfactant in the toothpaste.This makes the ski faster in all conditions and temperatures but is especially helpful in warm weather when snow gets wet and greasy. And the toothpaste? What a cheap way to get fluorinated ski wax! The turpines in the spruce gum and chemicals in the soap and toothpaste combine to chemically alter the fluoride in the toothpaste,bonding and completely suspending it as fluorinate throughout the ski wax during the heated mixing.This makes the wax so much faster. And there you have it- Over 5 lbs of durable,superfast,all temp and condition,fluorinated ski wax for less than $30.
Note:I am not responsible for anything that may happen as a result of anyone reading the above.



 

post #10 of 12

I just melt candles. For green wax, I melt green candles, for blue wax, melt blue.......continue. No offence dood, you are just a product of today's system of education. "There will be a test. Here are the questions. Here are the answers. Study them." You really need to do something called RESEARCH. Google is a good place to start. I think you have a great idea, persue it.

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by MittensAndBeer View Post


The only thing I'm left wondering, and you may or may not know, is if this wax is environmentally friendly.  If you've got any insights there, I'd love to hear them.  

 

 

 

 



 


look at the ingredients, seems pretty benign. You could use toms toothpaste instead of crest. I just googled that recipe and i am surprised how simple it is, spruce gum might be tricky to get. Eye protection and gloves seem advisable

 

post #12 of 12

Hi if you can check this 2 pages . I ask this company many time for help maybe they can help you

It's about eco wax  eco certification .

 

http://dragonski.com/fr/dev_durable_fr.htm

 

http://dragonski.com/fr/biowin.htm

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