its kind of silly to argue about whether one thing should be called heel pushing or not. What is productive is to acknowledge seperate problems with seperate cures. I personally don't see the value of labeling ab stemmers are heel pushers because the other kind I speak of is so entirely different and is more like a push really, but use whatever terms you like, just please acknowledge the seperate cases and cures.
Originally Posted by bud heishman
Isn't your heel pusher pivoting closer to the ski tips in order to toss their tails out to the side and move the feet from one side to the other underneath the hips rather than moving the hips over the feet?
well, the heel pusher's skis are pivoting around a point near the tips yes, but the skier is not pivoting them, he is pushing them. In the way you seemed to use the word above I think you are refering to active rotary with the femurs, which would pivot the skis like a bow tie under their feet. If the tails swish over like windshield wipers and the feet go with them, then that is something else.
Seems like similar issues to the ab-stemmer?
Definitely different then an ab stem move. Let me try to explain again.
In an ab stem, the skier ends up the previous turn braced on their downhill ski. They usually do this because they are afraid or don't know how to let it go in a release. Once they have squandered away their turn forces from the previous turn they are faced with a challenge of how to start the next turn. At that point there are two ways. One way is to actually release it anyway, very slowly and carefully with a GREAT deal of balance involved. As they release it and remain balanced and patiently wait for their skis to either steer or tip and carve into the fall line. That way requires a lot of patience and balance.
The other way is to push off of the downhill ski, hence the ab stem. The uphill ski appears to stem away from it...but its not being pushed per say, its being flung that way. The push is on the downhill ski in order to stem the uphill ski, and the downhill ski will probably not skid away either...it will be edged hard and be pushed against.
That is the ab stem case,
Now let's take the other case that *I* call heel pushing. In this case the skier released perfectly well coming out of the previous turn. Their downhill ski is tipped onto the LTE as they go into the next turn. There is no downhill ski to push off of. They can tactically decide to steer or carve from here (or both). If they glide forward with the skis, developing bend and steering angle patiently, then the skis will carve and/or steer a bit in a round and refined way. The heel pusher will extend too aggressively and push the tails away into a fanned out skid. A heel pusher could also be using upper rotary there to swing the tails around, but they will find themselves pushing their feet out trying to create pressure on the ski prematurely in the wrong way, trying to get to the fall-line or past it too soon, etc.
Do you see the difference?
The ab stemmer is late. They are too busy holding on to the last turn to be on top of the next one. The heel pusher is, on the other hand, impatient, in a rush to get to the fallline.
Isn't the goal of a good turn to release the downhill ski's edge grip to permit the tips to seek the fall line as the hips move over the feet?
yes steering and/or tip and arc or both. That is a tactical decision. But even with a good release you can push the heels. A good release does not garantee a good turn. A bad release garantees a bad turn.