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post #61 of 277
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Originally Posted by Cville4 View Post

My other gripe with snowboarders also involves them scraping out any decent snow we have here, often in the absolute worst spots to have bad conditions (such as narrow turns or steep sections). 


Beginning boarders scrape a big swath of snow.  Beginning skiers do the same with their "pizza" stance.

 

Advanced boarders cut a clean line, just like advanced skiers.

 

post #62 of 277
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You must ski @ a different Bachelor than me. If it did get crowded just ski off the run.


 

What, right now???  On ice with rocks poking out???  No thanks.

post #63 of 277
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Originally Posted by Matthias99 View Post

PSA: downhill skiers/riders have the right of way.  Among other things, this means you need to leave a wide berth when passing anyone, and always expect that they might turn (or not), or stop, or fall and slide into your path suddenly.  You don't have a "line" that other people have to stay out of.  If someone is below you, you need to avoid them, because they don't have eyes in the back of their head to see you coming.

 


Boom!  He nails it.

post #64 of 277
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What, right now???  On ice with rocks poking out???  No thanks.



Just stay up on your edges,there a lot thinner running surface than bases.wink.gif

post #65 of 277

Matthias99 nails the rule...but does little for real application on a busy hill.  Otherwise, for anyone to properly follow the rule nobody would ever launch down a run as many folks heading downhill, as this thread suggests, do not have the requisite  skills control to avoid what is below them rolleyes.gif

 

( I like this thread OP!)

 

^^ Edit...added "I" 


Edited by DonDenver - 12/13/11 at 7:50pm
post #66 of 277
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Originally Posted by slider View Post



Just stay up on your edges,there a lot thinner running surface than bases.wink.gif



LOL!  Maybe I'll just leave one ski in the car too.

post #67 of 277
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post

Matthias99 nails the rule...but does little for real application on a busy hill.  Otherwise, for anyone to properly follow the rule nobody would ever launch down a run as many folks heading downhill, as this thread suggests, do not have the requisite  skills control to avoid what is below them rolleyes.gif

 

(like this thread OP!)



Yes, and people never drive faster than the speed limit either.  Still, whose fault is a rear-end collision?

post #68 of 277

Wow!  Lots of "curmudgeonry " going on - unfortunately most of it warranted.  The reason why it seems more dangerous out there (and it is) can't be attributed to any one factor, but many: people insist on more and more corduroy groomers - the better they are the faster people go; demographic - show me someone on the slopes going excessively fast, thereby endangering those around them and I'll bet you 9/10 times it's a male under 25; equipment that's popular now - big fat reverse cambered skis just don't do well turning on groomers so the driver just points them down; what do we sell - extreme skiing.  That's why you see the speed and jumping on the slopes in densely skiied areas; lack of respect - its prevalent in every other part of society - why not on the slopes skiing.  I have skiied all my life, and currently ski almost every day of the season.  I havel learned that you won't change what you are experiencing, so adopt strategies to deal with it.  Some have been suggested in this thread: learn to ski defensively - take note of all areas on your mountain where there is a high risk for collision, then avoid or be very diligent when skiing;  ski quickly enough if you are a good skier to stay ahead of the carnage; ski off groom and in the trees most of the time; contact your mountain security service - if you see areas that lend themselves to collision, notify the mountain and suggest a solution.  I personally feel comfortable in all the carnage out there to avoid collision by skiing quickly and defensively, sticking to the sides, watching for high risk areas, skiing 80% of the time off groom.  When I really get nervous, however, is when I have my grandkids out there in this madness

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Edited by LiveJazz - 12/13/11 at 6:32pm
post #70 of 277
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Really? nonono2.gif

 

 


 

 



Actually LJ,  I noticed my comment earlier had a typo...s/b..."I like this thread OP" 

 

 

post #71 of 277
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Actually LJ,  I noticed my comment earlier had a typo.

 

 

 



Typing with one hand?? biggrin.gif

post #72 of 277
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Actually LJ,  I noticed my comment earlier had a typo...s/b..."I like this thread OP" 

 

 


 

Thank you, comment retracted. My faith in EpicSki is restored. I hate meaningful typos! The worst kind. 

 

I'm just so used to people being obnoxious on internet forums. This is good one though, from my experiences so far. beercheer.gif

post #73 of 277
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post

Yes, and people never drive faster than the speed limit either.  Still, whose fault is a rear-end collision?



Understood Toe / 

 

But what?...that only fixes fault after the fact...and believe me; after the year I"ve experienced, I could have cared less "whose" fault it was when dealing with an accident involving a "life" in the balance.

 

 

post #74 of 277
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Typing with one hand?? biggrin.gif

off thread
[lol...good one clever girl!  The one-handed crap continues for some time yet (and I think Betsy is tired of it already).  Wow, could you imagine what she'd think If we decided to get them both done at the same time?!  eek.gif Looking forward to skiing with you in a few  weeks.]
 

 

 

post #75 of 277

Good points all around. I wanted to cherry pick the real gems: 

 

It's early in the season. People are inclined to ski beyond their ability for their first little while until they mellow out and hopefully dial in their technique again. 

Skis are becoming fatter and less turny. That's fine if you're skiing off-piste all day, but with low snow coverage across most of Canada it's 95% groomers, and few people are good enough to ski their fatties on piste at safe speeds. 

Kids have terrible judgement. Not all kids, but most of the ones on skis at the local hills. 

Out of control skiers stick to greens and blues. Unfortunately we don't have any black terrain open yet - hopefully things will get better soon. 

 

post #76 of 277

Do you know what would make people ski more safely?  If everyone were required to wear a vest that had sharp 6" long spikes pointing inward towards the torso, that's what.

post #77 of 277
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post


[lLooking forward to skiing with you in a few  weeks.]
 

 

 


absolutely!!

 

post #78 of 277
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post


Beginning boarders scrape a big swath of snow.  Beginning skiers do the same with their "pizza" stance.

 

Advanced boarders cut a clean line, just like advanced skiers.

 



Seems like it's easier to snowboard poorly than it is to ski poorly and harder to snowboard well than to ski well. 

 

post #79 of 277

Argh, I hate stupid people! And the funny thing, stupid people come in just about every form. A few years ago, I was riding my snowboard early season at my home mountain. I was in uniform, and I was riding at a steady pace and turn radius, close to the right side of the trail. A middle aged woman comes screaming up behind me (literally, screaming "Watch out!"), and clips the tail of my board. She stops a hundred yards down the hill, and I pull up beside her. I then kindly advise her to the Responsibility Code, and the responsibility of the overtaking person to pass safely. She proceeded to scream and curse at me about snowboarders being dangerous. Mind you, I was in uniform, with my bright gold nametag with "Supervisor" under my name, and the magic radio on my collar which would directly contact Patrol with the flip of a switch. I shook my head, and rode off. Stupid person.

 

Or people who complain about a snowboarder's blind side, not realizing that skiers have a blind side too... behind them. Skiers who traverse without looking uphill are just as irresponsible as riders who do the same. Stupid people.

 

Or the skiers who assume that just because I'm on twin tips, with baggy pants, a snowboarding brand jacket, and have a bandana over my face, that I must be 19 and completely irresponsible. I'm in my 30's, and I not only observe the Responsiblity Code more closely than they do, but can also point out exactly how they violate it if they chose to ask me. stupid people.

 

Or the people who expect me to behave differently when I switch from having two boards on my feet to having one on my feet... often in the same day. Stupid people.

post #80 of 277
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Seems like it's easier to snowboard poorly than it is to ski poorly and harder to snowboard well than to ski well. 

 


Incorrect on both counts.

 

post #81 of 277
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post


Beginning boarders scrape a big swath of snow.  Beginning skiers do the same with their "pizza" stance.

 

Advanced boarders cut a clean line, just like advanced skiers.

 



True, but the main problem is intermediate boarders on advanced runs. They still scrape. Intermediate skiers don't "pizza" advanced runs. (Unless they are 5 years old.)

post #82 of 277
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post


Incorrect on both counts.

 



Well everyone sure makes it look that way.

 

post #83 of 277
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Originally Posted by Abox View Post



Well everyone sure makes it look that way.

 



Looks can be deceiving.  You should try snowboarding sometime to get perspective from the other side.

post #84 of 277
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

 Intermediate skiers don't "pizza" advanced runs. (Unless they are 5 years old.)


No, they just sit on their tails and skid their way down.

 

post #85 of 277
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Skidding is a huge problem for skiers and boarders. I used to think boarders were more guilty than skiers, but it think it's just more obvious (and loud) when boarders do it. When you really look around, there are plenty of skiers scraping snow off runs all over the mountain. 

post #86 of 277
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Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post

Skidding is a huge problem for skiers and boarders. I used to think boarders were more guilty than skiers, but it think it's just more obvious (and loud) when boarders do it. When you really look around, there are plenty of skiers scraping snow off runs all over the mountain. 



Boards can push more snow, that's my only beef. Skiers can't skid down powder, but boarders can. Bad skiers fall over if they try that. So they traverse, which causes less damage. Bad boarders can clear a powder field tout de suite.  --Of course, I guess it's getting  a bit different with fat rockered boards, but I have never seen a skier do the damage to fresh snow that a boarder can do. On groomers, yes, it's the same. Whatever.

post #87 of 277
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post



Looks can be deceiving. 



So you're saying that bad snowboarders have at least as hard a time on advanced runs as bad skiers? 

 

post #88 of 277

I got a kick out of this thread,but it reminded me of something similar. When we all have t to share or occupy the same space we get to see just how "unequipped" some of our fellow human beings really are.  It's almost like driving,I think I'm just grateful most of these guys can't figure out a way to text and board or ski. hopmad.gif

I think the real problem is that people never get to see themselves on skis ,so in their mind's eyes they are just a couple training runs away from being the next Bodi Miller.

Maybe resorts should offer a video replay booth at the bottom of the hill like they do at amusement parks ? 

post #89 of 277
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Originally Posted by skidel View Post

Wow!  Lots of "curmudgeonry " going on - unfortunately most of it warranted.  The reason why it seems more dangerous out there (and it is) can't be attributed to any one factor, but many: people insist on more and more corduroy groomers - the better they are the faster people go; demographic - show me someone on the slopes going excessively fast, thereby endangering those around them and I'll bet you 9/10 times it's a male under 25; equipment that's popular now - big fat reverse cambered skis just don't do well turning on groomers so the driver just points them down; what do we sell - extreme skiing.  That's why you see the speed and jumping on the slopes in densely skiied areas; lack of respect - its prevalent in every other part of society - why not on the slopes skiing.  I have skiied all my life, and currently ski almost every day of the season.  I havel learned that you won't change what you are experiencing, so adopt strategies to deal with it.  Some have been suggested in this thread: learn to ski defensively - take note of all areas on your mountain where there is a high risk for collision, then avoid or be very diligent when skiing;  ski quickly enough if you are a good skier to stay ahead of the carnage; ski off groom and in the trees most of the time; contact your mountain security service - if you see areas that lend themselves to collision, notify the mountain and suggest a solution.  I personally feel comfortable in all the carnage out there to avoid collision by skiing quickly and defensively, sticking to the sides, watching for high risk areas, skiing 80% of the time off groom.  When I really get nervous, however, is when I have my grandkids out there in this madness


Yes the lack of respect does seem to be much worse among today's youth.  It starts in their childhood, and the more folks undeserving of respect they are exposed to, including TV shows, movies and well-reported news, the less respect they have.  This growing lack of respect is a problem, that has been going on at least since the dawn of western civilization, but I think todays media and entertainment exacerbate the problem.

 

post #90 of 277
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Yes the lack of respect does seem to be much worse among today's youth.  It starts in their childhood, and the more folks undeserving of respect they are exposed to, including TV shows, movies and well-reported news, the less respect they have.  This growing lack of respect is a problem, that has been going on at least since the dawn of western civilization, but I think todays media and entertainment exacerbate the problem.

 



and we need to get those darn kids from riding their skateboards on the sidewalk.  Is this Costello Avenue?

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