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Difference between a GS Cheater ski and a Junior GS Competition Ski

post #1 of 10
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I was looking at the specs on some GS cheaters and I found it interesting that several companies offer JR competition skis at round the same length and radius.

 

For example, Blizzard GSR and their Blizzard JR GS Competition.

 

What do you think about racing on a junior comp ski as a substitiute for a GS cheater?

 

I have heard of woman doing this but why not men?

 

Just curious...

post #2 of 10
I suspect you will find that the construction and flex is designed for a much lighter weight and that (a) you will over power them and (b) they will fall apart pretty quickly on you. The plate is also different. As you found with the gsr, the real deal construction is on the real deal ski. Personally, so long as you stay clear of the 27m , I have always found the race gs to be superior to cheaters and more useful all round. Ymmv.
post #3 of 10

The key is weight. I weigh 115 which is right in the range that Jr. GS skis in the 170  range are designed for. Good for me because they are cheaper and generally very well made. If you are light weight (under 135???)  the longest Jr. skis may work. Like regular race skis, some are stiffer, some less stiff. I use stiffer cheaters or Jr. race skis depending on the course.

post #4 of 10

If you are a teenager or a small woman weighing 135# or less, racing NASTAR, go for the JR. If you are an adult male racing in the weekly beer league, you will want the GS Cheater. The cheater have more torsional rigidity than the Jr and will hold an edge much better. A GS Jr. just will not take the punishment that an adult can dish out and will delaminate. Trust me, you get what you pay for.

 

Karl

post #5 of 10

Jr race skis are also very narrow. Just like real racing skis. The cheater GS skis are usually wider at the tip, midsection and tail. Also heavier due to the added mass, plate size and sturdier binding. Jr typically move quite early to real FIS skis so if you are an adult it really makes no sence to ski on the same ski as a 12-14y old if you are not very very light.

post #6 of 10
I know the price is appealing on the blizzard junior GS ski, but that specific model just might not have enough torsional strength to keep you happy. You will be compromising your edge hold with the junior ski. Rossignol/Dynastar have a 170cm FIS construction ski with the junior plate, this would be a perfect ski for what your are doing. I have put 3 women on this ski, they have similar specs to you. All three have seen their GS results get better. The skis are 17m turn shape with the torsional hold of a FIS ski. The model name is the Rossi Radical GS WC Race flex170 or the Dynastar is the Course WC race flex 170cm .

Atomic also makes a ski in the category, it's called the D2 GS Junior FIS 171cm. They also do a 176cm 21m.

Good luck.
post #7 of 10
I tried this experiment a few years ago. I weigh about 140 lbs and bought Nordica 171 cm race stock junior GS skis. It turned out that I could easily over power them. They felt lifeless and low energy. Where I was expecting a pop of energy at the end of the turn, I just got nothing back. Interestingly, on hard snow, they felt a lot like my 178 Watea 94s (other than the width, of course), which isn't at all what I was looking for out of a race ski. They've been sitting in my closet waiting for my wife, who weighs 110 lbs, to get up the nerve to try them.
post #8 of 10

Put a 170 Jr. GS race ski next to a 170 GS cheater ski and flex them - you will be surprised if you think the Jrs are soft. We have had numerous pairs of Jr GS race skis and they have a flex pattern that is quite stiff. The "Junior" term applies to size of the ski.

 

The GS cheater skis are the way to go because they are easier to ski - they have a wider tip and tail, more sidecut.

 

The Jr race skis conform to FIS regs for Children 2 (13-14) or Children 1 (11-12). Those regs were dropped and for 2011-2012 there are no rules for 14 & under except for stack height and boot height. At age 15 they have to use a GS ski with a 21 meter turn radius for USSA, and in FIS 23 for girls, 27 for boys.

 

Now that there are no rules for Jr race skis I would expect them to go with the easier skiing dimensions of the cheaters. However, there is uncertainty out there with what the FIS will do with GS regs and what the USSA will require for youth.

post #9 of 10

Like regular race skis, the jr. skis can be stiff. I find my Elan jr race GS in 170 stiffer than my Atomic GS 12 cheater in 170 (a few years old but not many days on them). I weigh 115 lbs.

post #10 of 10

Another option is to ski the shorter version of the Race ski. Mens length about 185 R27, Womens length about 175 R23. Other than FIS, R is not the issue.  What you get a slightly short and liveler ski as it is designed for slightly lighter and less powerful people (no offense to the women here).  A non FIS cheater ski as less strength torsionally (little more forgiving) and  R about 17.

 

Again you have options. Me... I'm as a 47yr 6'-0" 165lb old Male I ski the 176 WC FIS GS ski.  What a blast !yahoo.gif

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