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What ski to bring to Summit county next week (Dec 13-17)

post #1 of 29
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Ok, I am looking at Keystone's base, and it's only 18 inches. Breck is no better. The 10 day forecast is not encouraging. I have a new never used Nordica Enforcer which is 98 underfoot. Without any big dumps upcoming, it is probably not the best ski for the conditions. Plus I am afraid that an 18  inch base will mean exposed rocks. I have an old Fischer Sceneo (70 underfoot) that I use at the local hill. Should I bring that instead? Should I rent (demo)? I am flying Frontier which does not charge  a ski luggage fee.

post #2 of 29

Bring a car and drive to Wolf Creek. They are expecting a dump next week on top of a 55+" base.

 

Seriously though, if there's no luggage fee, bring both. snowforecast.com is calling for snow to finally come to the northern I-70 resorts next week and you could be in for a great surprise. "Basically, next Wednesday through Friday we expect snow to be falling across Colorado."

 

just be careful of unexposed objects especially if you venture into the trees with so thin a base.

post #3 of 29

18" base, even with a dump of snow you'll hit rocks.  If you can take both, do it, cause you never know....

post #4 of 29
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18" base, even with a dump of snow you'll hit rocks.  If you can take both, do it, cause you never know....


Unfotunately, you are correct. I should not go off trail and just stay in the groomers. Bummer.

 

post #5 of 29
We're all skiing on man-made in Summit County right now. The forecasts for snow "north of I70" doesn't help much because we're all south of I70.
post #6 of 29

Heading out that way next week too. Groomers are it right now. At least they're supposedly covered pretty well so no need for rock skis. Take a serious look at all the resorts in the area. Snowfall has been very spotty and a few locales have done better than others. Next week should bring more snow Tues/Wed and Fri/Sat, but likely nothing epic.

post #7 of 29

Don't know about Keystone, but Breck and Copper are skiing pretty well for man made snow.  At Breck, they've opened a few runs to allow bumps, but you ski these at the peril of your bases.  Same way with the directed skiing at Copper.

 

You can have a good time.  It's unlikely you'll need a 98 ski, but people in Colorado are skiing groomers with their 120's.  Crazy, if you ask me.

 

Mike

post #8 of 29

Ski what you would ski regularly in the midwest or north east. The groomers are in nice shape with few rocks and carving is fun but there is no need for wide or rockered skis. My Watea 84s are working well but Wednesday I spent the whole day on my GS skis at Loveland and had a blast. I got very few minor nicks on my edges. ABasin was clean also. I don't know about other resorts but typically if you stay out of bump runs then you are OK. I wouldn't even consider skiing my Icelantic Nomads right now.

post #9 of 29

I forgot to include this link. It is pretty reliable.

 

http://snowforecast.com/ColoradoSkiResorts

 

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by rcahill View Post

Ski what you would ski regularly in the midwest or north east. The groomers are in nice shape with few rocks and carving is fun but there is no need for wide or rockered skis. My Watea 84s are working well but Wednesday I spent the whole day on my GS skis at Loveland and had a blast. I got very few minor nicks on my edges. ABasin was clean also. I don't know about other resorts but typically if you stay out of bump runs then you are OK. I wouldn't even consider skiing my Icelantic Nomads right now.


This is by far the earliest I've ever gone out west. On average, when would be the earliest time I can book a trip and experience "western" ski conditions?

 

post #11 of 29
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This is by far the earliest I've ever gone out west. On average, when would be the earliest time I can book a trip and experience "western" ski conditions?

 



Well, it depends on the part of the western USA you go to, but to be extra conservative I wouldn't go anywhere before Feb 1st.  Mother Nature once snaked me on MLK weekend.

post #12 of 29

I skied Copper today. Top to bottom skiing on the front side, including Andy's Encore and Rossi's.  Ok, so there's not a tremendous amount of snow.  Yet these slopes were skiing about as good as they do in mid-winter.  Excellent skiing on man made snow.

 

Folk, you may be worrying about skiing CO at Xmas, but Copper is ready to roll now.  It is in much (MUCH) better shape than Breck.  It would appear that they've had more snowfall than Breck just gauging from the trees.

 

And Breck is skiing ok as well.  Just not nearly as much terrain open as Copper.  Today, there was virtually NO ONE there at Copper.  Quite a contrast to yesterday at Breck.

 

Mike

post #13 of 29

Even at Vail, where there is a better base than the Summit areas, there was a bit of rubble on many of the groomers. Not exposed patches, just little stones that were probably kicked up by groomers. Beaver Creek was slightly better. But if you're going to Summit, I say take the rock skis if you can only bring 1 pair. 

post #14 of 29

Bring snow!

 

Get out early and the groomers are really nice.  Late in the day they get skied off and relatively icy (by western standards)

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by rcahill View Post
 I wouldn't even consider skiing my Icelantic Nomads right now.


I actually skied the 125mm Gypsies at Highlands Saturday.   Nice ski, perfect for the deep cruddy snow over bootpack and they actually railed the groomers pretty good for a fat.

But I agree with the GS ski.  I've mostly been skiing some older GS race skis and I've been owning all the youngins on their newfangled fun shapes.

 



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Well, it depends on the part of the western USA you go to, but to be extra conservative I wouldn't go anywhere before Feb 1st.  Mother Nature once snaked me on MLK weekend.


That's ridiculous.  I've been skiing dynamic, athletic terrain all week and this is a very thin year.  You can get snaked anytime?

 

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That's ridiculous

 


Ridiculous?  Hmmm, ok.  That word is thrown around so loosely on this site.

 

Please reread what I typed (and if you disagree, fine).  All my future vacations out west will be Feb 1 or later, unless it is an unusually-snowy early season.

 

 

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but to be extra conservative I wouldn't go anywhere before Feb 1st

 

 

post #17 of 29

Totally begs the question "How is WinterPark skiing now?"
 

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We're all skiing on man-made in Summit County right now. The forecasts for snow "north of I70" doesn't help much because we're all south of I70.


 

post #18 of 29

I-70 resorts, on average 81% normal snowpack.

 

ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/CO/Snow/snow/watershed/daily/co_update_snow.pdf

 

I'll be up there somewhere on Wednesday carving groomers uness a NASTAR opens. Funny but now more NASTAR courses are open in the midwest than Colorado. I ran a Masters GS Saturday at Loveland on injected snow, ouch! Other runs were skiing nicely though.

 

 

post #19 of 29
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Ridiculous?  Hmmm, ok.  That word is thrown around so loosely on this site.

 

Please reread what I typed (and if you disagree, fine).  All my future vacations out west will be Feb 1 or later, unless it is an unusually-snowy early season.

 

 

 

 


I guess if your extremely conservitive or it's your only trip of the year?   But that's almost half way through the season and I hope to have at least 20-25 days by then this season.

I really enjoy the early season, mostly because there aren't any bumps. 

 



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I-70 resorts, on average 81% normal snowpack.

 

ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/CO/Snow/snow/watershed/daily/co_update_snow.pdf

 

I'll be up there somewhere on Wednesday carving groomers uness a NASTAR opens. Funny but now more NASTAR courses are open in the midwest than Colorado. I ran a Masters GS Saturday at Loveland on injected snow, ouch! Other runs were skiing nicely though.

 

 



I think the 81% is misleading because of the wind events and the fact that a lot of that fell in early November. 

post #20 of 29

I'd bring both if there is no extra charge.  One thing to think about is rope drops if a storm or two rolls in.  Getting first tracks early season isn't always the most base friendly thing for new skis, but it can sure be a lot of fun with no bumps under the fresh stuff (as SH alluded to).

 

Current Lodging and Summit County lift ticket deals at

http://www.epicski.com/t/107944/chalet-frisco-66-off-last-minute-deals-for-epic-bears#post_1400337

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/98821/season-pass-at-copper-for-99-good-only-on-days-4-inches-also-a-steamboat-wp-deal

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/107763/where-to-ski-in-colorado#post_1397932

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Vitamin Ski View Post


Ridiculous?  Hmmm, ok.  That word is thrown around so loosely on this site.

 

Please reread what I typed (and if you disagree, fine).  All my future vacations out west will be Feb 1 or later, unless it is an unusually-snowy early season.

 

 

 

 


You can have lousy conditions anytime of the winter.  That being said, early season is more of a roulette game.  With the amount of snowmaking that most resorts now have, it's pretty reliable to have decent groomer skiing by Thanksgiving.  The bowls and off-piste skiing is rarely dependably good before Christmas.  That being said, it's generally pretty reasonable to assume that there will be good off-piste skiing by January in Colorado.

 

Just my 40 years of skiing experience.

 

Mike

 

post #22 of 29

I was at Breck end of last week, Stick to the groomers and you will be fine! I had no issues with exposed debris, I used a 98 underfoot also! 

 

-Sal 

post #23 of 29
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I guess if your extremely conservitive or it's your only trip of the year?   But that's almost half way through the season and I hope to have at least 20-25 days by then this season.

I really enjoy the early season, mostly because there aren't any bumps. 

 





I think the 81% is misleading because of the wind events and the fact that a lot of that fell in early November. 



 

What is misleading about a snowpack measurement?

 

It tells you that we are at 81% of the average amount of snow on the ground for this time of year.  It doesn't have anything to do with when it fell or wind events other than those events had an effect on how much snow is actually in the snowpack. 81% (not sure where that number came from as I see 75% for the Colorado River basin) isn't absolutely horrible but it is certainly not good.  Of course a week of good storms would fix all that this early in the year.  The storm track is not looking favorable for a week of good storms at this point thoughmad.gif

 

It will snow eventually....(fingers crossed)

post #24 of 29
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What is misleading about a snowpack measurement?

 

It tells you that we are at 81% of the average amount of snow on the ground for this time of year.  It doesn't have anything to do with when it fell or wind events other than those events had an effect on how much snow is actually in the snowpack. 81% (not sure where that number came from as I see 75% for the Colorado River basin) isn't absolutely horrible but it is certainly not good.  Of course a week of good storms would fix all that this early in the year.  The storm track is not looking favorable for a week of good storms at this point thoughmad.gif

 

It will snow eventually....(fingers crossed)



Tomorrow supposedly!

post #25 of 29
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What is misleading about a snowpack measurement?

 

It tells you that we are at 81% of the average amount of snow on the ground for this time of year.  It doesn't have anything to do with when it fell or wind events other than those events had an effect on how much snow is actually in the snowpack. 81% (not sure where that number came from as I see 75% for the Colorado River basin) isn't absolutely horrible but it is certainly not good.  Of course a week of good storms would fix all that this early in the year.  The storm track is not looking favorable for a week of good storms at this point thoughmad.gif

 

It will snow eventually....(fingers crossed)

SH may have his own answer, but I will say that he was meaning that not all 81% of snowpack readings ski the same- wind events will scour some places and help other aspects/exposures.  Colder temps will typically help with snowmaking (which I wouldn't imagine is part of the official snow pack %.  Older snow may not ski as good as newer snow if there has been big temp swings, etc.  

 

 

post #26 of 29
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Short report from my trip. Stopped first at A-basin since I wanted to go over Loveland Pass. Don't go there yet. All they have are blue groomers. No better than any Midwest ski area. Next up was Vail. Vail was much better. They have expert trails up top. Tree runs are still iffy (I hit a downed tree trunk that was barely buried). I did not want to take a chance on my last day so I went back to Vail.

post #27 of 29
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Short report from my trip. Stopped first at A-basin since I wanted to go over Loveland Pass. Don't go there yet. All they have are blue groomers. No better than any Midwest ski area. Next up was Vail. Vail was much better. They have expert trails up top. Tree runs are still iffy (I hit a downed tree trunk that was barely buried). I did not want to take a chance on my last day so I went back to Vail.



before passing judgement on A basin why not go back  when it actually has snow?

post #28 of 29
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before passing judgement on A basin why not go back  when it actually has snow?



I think that was his point--should have said don't go there yet.
post #29 of 29
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I think that was his point--should have said don't go there yet.


Right. I was there this past February, and it was epic. However until the Montezuma bowl opens or at least till the Pallavicini lift is open, then not yet. Hey, I plan to back there again this coming February - if everything is open.

 

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