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Best junior rockers?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Can I have opinions on what would be the best all-mountain junior rocker ski for an intermediate who skis in the east, mainly at Stowe? I'm thinking of Vӧlkl Jr. Gotamas.

 

 

 

 

post #2 of 17

150cm Olin Mark VI - at least that's what I skied when I was grom at Stowe back in the day.

 

I haven't checked this year but last year my son was riding Benchetler Jr. Very nice ski although possibly a bit light for east coast. Check out the K2s. My kids used to ride the Bad Seeds. Crappy base but otherwise a beefy ski.

 

 

post #3 of 17

There are a lot of kids here skiing on the mini-Goats. K2s skis look pretty good to for the junior rocker category.

post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 

I looked up the K2s, and the bad seeds seem pretty good. It seemed like the only difference is unlike the gotamas, which I think are full rocker, these are tip rockers, with some camber. Any ideas on which would be better? Honestly, I'm almost thinking bad seeds as going from my full camber skis to full rocker gotamas might be kind of a big change.

 

Another question I have is do the bad seeds stay on top of powder well? .

 

post #5 of 17

I have been seeing a lot of kids on Jr. Gotamas.  It was good to see those kids rippin' the slopes up.

 

Dennis

post #6 of 17

Sorry for questioning the premise, but why go for rockered kids' skis in the east?

 

With that out of the way...

 

One of mine will be on 148 Gotama Jrs this season as a powder ski.  The build quality seems okay, but not up there with the Mantra Jrs of a few seasons ago.

post #7 of 17

The choice is really limited by available lengths. Gotamas come in shorter lengths than the others. Full rocker, top sheets chip really easy. My boys like theirs.

post #8 of 17
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top sheets chip really easy. 



New ones are much better.

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

I might get Jr Gotamas, because they seem like they'll be better in the glades, and on the front four. It also seems like a bunch of people on here have kids who enjoy theirs.

post #10 of 17

So, why have an intermediate kid in the East on rockered skis?  Kids typically do not have as much flotation issues as adults...  My kid is on BentChetler Jr. this year, and )unlike the adult version) they are conventional camber twin tips, with just a smidge of early rise.  (And she is a pretty good skier for a 9-year old).  It is rare for kids to have a quiver, so for Stove you will need a ski with good groomer performance and a rockered flat camber ski will not be the best.  I saw many kids on the Gotama Jr., but that probably reflects the wide availability of that ski over anything else.  Bad Seed was getting a good reputation too.  I feel that the only relationship to adult models of all the Jr skis is the graphics- in other words they are not made the same way.   

post #11 of 17

I disagree about the benefits of rocker for kids in three-dimensional snow.  

 

Conventional skis must be decambered to float.  Decambering is accomplished through application of a combination of weight, speed, and skills.  All else being equal, kids weigh less, ski slower, and have a less developed skill set.

 

That said, groomers are a different story.

post #12 of 17

I was impressed with the way the Moment Kid Carsons were working under a kid I saw last year, but I have not handled the ski in-person...so I can't really say first-hand.

post #13 of 17

K2 Bad Apple 138cm

 

It is a WINNER!   Last season, she rolled into another 100+ day year in JH on the Bad Apple.

 

Skiers right of Ranger Ridge: ~12 inches new pow @ 3°F.  Liberty approves of this ski!

 

Thanks Marmot for the great kid's wear, in this case, the Girl's Portillo Jacket.

 

Liberty Cold Smoke.jpg

post #14 of 17
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I disagree about the benefits of rocker for kids in three-dimensional snow.  

 

Conventional skis must be decambered to float.  Decambering is accomplished through application of a combination of weight, speed, and skills.  All else being equal, kids weigh less, ski slower, and have a less developed skill set.

Correct.  However, in general kids nowadays ski on relatively fatter skis than adults (i..e: I weight 3 times more than my daughter, but her skis are only half the area of my fattest skis).  They also sit back more, so they may not need the help of a rocker.  
 

 

That said, groomers are a different story.

 

YES!

 

post #15 of 17


Nice!!!

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K2 Bad Apple 138cm

 

It is a WINNER!  ~12 inches new pow @ 3°F  Liberty approves of this ski!

 

Liberty Cold Smoke.jpg



 

post #16 of 17
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Correct.  However, in general kids nowadays ski on relatively fatter skis than adults (i..e: I weight 3 times more than my daughter, but her skis are only half the area of my fattest skis).  They also sit back more, so they may not need the help of a rocker.  

 

I know.  I did the math several years back.  The fact that they are relatively fatter means that the effect of waist width on float is minimized. Which means, in turn, that camber shape is more important.

post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 

So do you guys think the Bad Seeds would be the best for runs like Goat and Starr? Because that's what I'm mainly basing my decision on.

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