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post #121 of 127
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Anyway, is anyone going to discuss the video RayCantu posted?

 

The first argument about stiffness of boots (using the knees placed up against chair) actually supports the use of more forward lean (regardless of flex).

 

 

And then about the idea of standing up into the back of the boot causing forward motion.. that may be true standing upright in the kitchen, but when traveling DOWNHILL at speed, if you press into the rear of the boot, it will just drive your tails back.  Mounting point and delta angle are especially important in this last point, as well as your personal COM.

 

But on this last point, the video does show the importance of keeping weight on BOF, which brings up the great importance of good footbeds and proper ramp angle.

post #122 of 127

Someone please hijack this thread...

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Someone please hijack this thread...



You mean like this? 

 

 

"OMG look, JayT, HeluvaSkier, Skidude, and Telerod all ski in the backseat!"

 

epic ski backseat.jpg

post #124 of 127

More like this:

 

So hey everyone, what do you think about helmets?  Should they be mandatory?  wink.gif

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Anyway, is anyone going to discuss the video RayCantu posted?

 

The first argument about stiffness of boots (using the knees placed up against chair) actually supports the use of more forward lean (regardless of flex).

 

 

And then about the idea of standing up into the back of the boot causing forward motion.. that may be true standing upright in the kitchen, but when traveling DOWNHILL at speed, if you press into the rear of the boot, it will just drive your tails back.  Mounting point and delta angle are especially important in this last point, as well as your personal COM.

 

But on this last point, the video does show the importance of keeping weight on BOF, which brings up the great importance of good footbeds and proper ramp angle.


No one is prepared to discuss anythign with you because you have so many misconceptions it is hard to know where to start.  You just make too many wild, unsupported statements that are simply incorrect for anyone to take you seriously.

 

Despite what you beleive, skiing is not just a matter of "opnion".  (I know that gets lost if you only read here, as there are so many clueless posters).  Ski technique is based on physics and biomechanics.  You cant cheat it, there is "the way you look at it"....physics is physics, biomechanics are biomechanics.

 

Sure most here dont know any more then you do, but some, have spent a lifetime studying this, have qualifications, degrees, credentials etc.  Some have worked and coached at the highest levels in the sport.  Believe what you want, but dont expect those who know to waste their time arguing with you over bascis.

 

post #126 of 127
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No one is prepared to discuss anythign with you because you have so many misconceptions it is hard to know where to start.  You just make too many wild, unsupported statements that are simply incorrect for anyone to take you seriously.

 

Yeah, and all of you scholars have so many misconceptions about why I wanted to start this thread that you equally can't discuss anything and only resort to criticism.

 

Despite what you beleive, skiing is not just a matter of "opnion".  (I know that gets lost if you only read here, as there are so many clueless posters).  Ski technique is based on physics and biomechanics.  You cant cheat it, there is "the way you look at it"....physics is physics, biomechanics are biomechanics.

 

Sure most here dont know any more then you do, but some, have spent a lifetime studying this, have qualifications, degrees, credentials etc.  Some have worked and coached at the highest levels in the sport.  Believe what you want, but dont expect those who know to waste their time arguing with you over bascis.

 

 

Ray wanted to know what people thought of his video, and his visual demonstration of the shortcoming of (upright) stiff boots actually encourages using forward lean.
 

 

post #127 of 127

I think this thread has had some good insights but has run its course and is now off topic for Ski Instruction and Coaching forum purposes.  Let me know if I missed something. 

 

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