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Squaw's New Map Has Landed

post #1 of 18
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You can check it out here, although I'm sure the printed version will look better.  I'm not sure yet if I like it better than the previous one or not.

post #2 of 18

I don't like any of these online maps, PDF's are much better.

post #3 of 18

Interesting choices.  No double-blacks, but many more trail names.

 

I guess the merger wasn't completed in time to justify showing that stuff behind KT and Headwall.... ;-)

post #4 of 18

Interesting that they do not show any granularity in blacks or double blacks.  Patrol map is much better for that (and should be).  This map is clearly intended for first-time visitors, which is who the mountain maps should be serving in the first place.  I think the main culprit is Squaw terrain- it is pretty open, so naming trails can be a very sketchy exercise.

 

By the way, do you guys know where I can see a good map of that "stuff behind KT and Headwall"?  I just realized that I forgot pretty much everything other than the lift names at the place next door.  Of course I hope to get the proper tour, but I'd still love to know the lay of the land.  

post #5 of 18

skimaps.org used to have a bunch of historical maps up, but the site went down a few years ago and hasn't revived.

post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 

Still up, without the 's'.

 

Alpine: http://skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/522

 

Squaw: http://skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/538

 

The Squaw map is out of date.  Not sure about the 2009 Alpine one.

post #7 of 18

This is very strange.  If they wanted it to be clearer for non locals, the lack of designation between single blacks and double blacks is somewhat important IMO.

post #8 of 18

wHO CARES ABOUT MAPS!

 

I bought the Squaw Mag from my local adult bookstore for the articlesbeercheer.gif

post #9 of 18

This is a GREAT site, you can see the development history right there....
 

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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

Still up, without the 's'.

 

Alpine: http://skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/522

 

Squaw: http://skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/538

 

The Squaw map is out of date.  Not sure about the 2009 Alpine one.



 

post #10 of 18
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As for the new map, I think there's a part missing.  I seem to remember a marketing person telling me there will be two views.  As far as I can tell, all the detail off Solitude and Shirley Lake is missing, as is some on the looker's left of Granite Chief.

 

They seem to have adopted a double-blue-square, but I'm not sure exactly what that means.  They appear to be continuing a Squaw tradition of calling nothing a double-diamond.  They do name some of the chutes off the Palisades with no designation at all--rather ominous.

 

It's new, now, that both KT-22 and Granite Chief will no longer be black-diamond lifts.  Both now have double-square ways down shown.  Our beloved (or not) Cable Car is now Tram.

 

Possible errata:

 

1. In the Squaw Kids area, Magic Carpet is listed twice.  #3 should be Pony Tail.

2. In Palisades, the placement of the name labels seems off.

3. No label for Eagle's Nest/McConkey's

4. High Sunbowl sounds lame compared to Kitchen Wall.

5. I guess Ho Chi Minh wasn't PC enough.  Now Bullet starts up there?  Really?

6. Perhaps Chicken Bowl wasn't guest-friendly enough.  Now Newport.  Whatever.

7. At least they brought back Tower 16.  Who actually liked Sundance anyway?

8. Monument Ridge off Emigrant is now a green.  Hmm.

9. The ski area boundary in Silverado appears expanded to contain some serious exposure near Fatal Attraction, Iron Curtain, etc.

post #11 of 18

Double Blue = Double GNAR points?

 

The awning on the Cable Car now says "Tram" on it. Was it always like that (I'm talking IRL, not on the map).

post #12 of 18

Probably to prevent some gaper from going up there to check it out?
 

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3. No label for Eagle's Nest/McConkey's



 

post #13 of 18

These stinking interactive trail maps are so lame. The PDFs are much better. Seriously, who likes these interactive ones better? Half the time they make the PDF hard to find. <end rant>

post #14 of 18

Wow, definitely nice to look at. Is that really old map still available where it showed every specific run on the mountain in different pictures?

post #15 of 18

Although they do make good relative sense, I must say this new map have one of the most underrated (put differently, least inflated) trail ratings that I have seen. Monument Ridge being a green and granite chief runs being only double blues (whatever they mean) are both pretty stiff ratings and could lead to a lot of first time skiers, particularly those from "smaller" mountains, being overwhelmed at the top of the lifts. But the real showstoppers are both exhibition face and siberia run being marked single blues: for example, the "black" runs of northstar backsides are definitely less challenging than these, in my opinion.

 

Although I like seeing them not so inflated like at other resorts, we could see more frustrated tourists on top of Granite, kt-22, and emigrant than before. I'm aware they are MEANT to be relative ratings, but most visitors do not understand or know of that concept.

 

post #16 of 18

Well, this is Squaw after all, and it always did their ratings in this kind of honest way (or less dishonest than other mountains).  I like the double-blues concept of this map, it is a perfect designations for a run like Granite Chief bowl.  It is definitely more challenging than your normal Shirley blue run, but is it really at the same level as the runs to the right or to the left of it?  If you call that run a black, then you get into this whole inflated ratings thing that serves only one purpose- to get some visiting gapers to brag at home how they "ripped the sh$t out of black runs at Squaw" in their pizzas.  I heard people saying that they went out West and they skied all the black runs there, and I know that they were not that skilled.  

I also think you overestimate the intelligence of some people, no matter what the map says they will get on top of that lift and will go down no matter what their ability is.  I once saw a guy who was clearly out of his league on the Shirley 1 run, he was flailing across the slope, almost took out my 5 year old, and was clearly endangering other skiers.  I (very gently and politely) suggested that he should consider a less challenging trail, and he was clearly offended and told me that he already got down that run once...  

In all honesty, the top of Siberia is the significant difficulty on that run and you can traverse down to the Chicken Bowl which makes it a lot easier and kind of solid blue-ish.   Exhibition face is really a blue run, the top it a bit steep, but it is very short and the rest of the run is pretty mellow.  

Of course if you ski here regularly you could not care less about the run ratings, but think the honest ratings system is another part of being a skier's mountain....

 

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Originally Posted by shoenberg3 View Post

Although they do make good relative sense, I must say this new map have one of the most underrated (put differently, least inflated) trail ratings that I have seen. Monument Ridge being a green and granite chief runs being only double blues (whatever they mean) are both pretty stiff ratings and could lead to a lot of first time skiers, particularly those from "smaller" mountains, being overwhelmed at the top of the lifts. But the real showstoppers are both exhibition face and siberia run being marked single blues: for example, the "black" runs of northstar backsides are definitely less challenging than these, in my opinion.

 

Although I like seeing them not so inflated like at other resorts, we could see more frustrated tourists on top of Granite, kt-22, and emigrant than before. I'm aware they are MEANT to be relative ratings, but most visitors do not understand or know of that concept.

 



 

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 

Having visited in person, I stand corrected on at least one thing.  There is no more Squaw Kids Pony Tail rope tow.  In fact, it appears that all the rope tows have been purged.  In their place (at Squaw Kids and Papoose (now SnoVentures), they have these funky covered magic carpets.

 

There definitely is a "backside" map for Solitude, Shirley Lake, and Granite Chief, which is not online.  There also doesn't seem to be a PDF.

 

They gave names to Shirley 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5, but I don't recognize them.  Seems more confusing than the numbers.

 

The snow report lists lifts: Tucker, Murphy, Boone, Wiley and Snoventure.  I assume these are all beginner magic carpets at Squaw Kids, Papoose and for tubing.  The map isn't fully updated for them.

post #18 of 18

Agree that some of the Squaw ratings should be harder and maybe Siberia should be a double blue instead of single, but I wouldn't say they're harder than the backside at Northstar (even though they're easy for black trails, of course).  I suspect marketing played into this, as they wanted as many single blue trails as possible to attract out-of-towners.
 

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But the real showstoppers are both exhibition face and siberia run being marked single blues: for example, the "black" runs of northstar backsides are definitely less challenging than these, in my opinion.

 



 

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