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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by pete View Post

measured the cam lock.  It came in at around 290 gms with lock, case and a key and at 245 gms lock only.   this is around 10 oz and 8.5 oz, later being a water bottle.  X-ray showed the thickness at 4mm which is thinner than I thought so I'll presume the plastic sheath is 1-2 mm.

 

one thing i noted is that if your gonna hit the same area on the base, i've seen others lock up their cable or chain locks to a rack and not worry about lugging em around.  then keep a lighter one on your body for on mountain needs.  

 



Thank you Pete !

I've contacted dakine a couple of days ago and they said it's 6mm think, so what you're saying adds up, so they're cheating a bit, cause 2mm of plastic don't matter. Anyway, at 4mm, it's the same thickness as a Safeman lock, which seems a bit more easy to carry for the same thickness.



But I like your idea of heaving a portable one for the slopes, and a safer/heavier combo for when doing lots of base skiing. Something like this:

 

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Originally Posted by skier357 View Post

I use this...

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I was looking earlier at this combo: 

 

http://abus.de/us/main.asp?ScreenLang=us&select=0104b09&artikel=4003318257186

http://abus.de/us/main.asp?ScreenLang=us&sid=995067775130204161220111496166214&select=0103b08&artikel=4003318087981 

 

which seem to provide some decent security.

 

post #32 of 42

callMeAl,

 

i get a kick out of the concern you have.  I kid, I get crap about worrying about my older skis but hey, .... i just don't want the hassle or interruption, lock em, check em, split em.  I think it goes back to what most all said, you won't stop someone who wants your ski's and is on the hunt with some basic tools but it's easy enough to dissuade the majority if not most everyone to move to others equally desirable skis.

 

I agree too with keeping an eye out for the suspicious type and just eyeballing em.

 

anyhow, good luck, it'll make ya feel better and over time you'll likely be a bit less worried and hey, after 3-4 yrs, you may not worry and if they're ripped, be ready for some new ones.  ; )

 

I do fret more the local hills with a lot of younger highshooler type.  really it's a quick nab at the base they go for so .... i do lock em up or prefer a check in ...   check the homeowners or renters insur too ...

 

if ya see the Cam Lock, check em out ... I don't regret buying it and its not too bad to carry on slope.

 

post #33 of 42

The vast majority of ski area thefts are grab and run.  Therefore any cable retractable lock that fits in your pocket should serve your purpose.  Remember if a theif really wants your skis, he will get them no matter what lock you use.

 

I have had only one pair of skis stolen and it was totally my fault for leaving them leaning against the lodge outdoor wall for 5-10 minutes while I went in to change my boots at the end of a ski day.  There were at least 4 or 5 others that were hit at the same time.  I am positive it was a simple grab and run that any lock would have foiled.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G

post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by CallMeAl View Post

I'm looking for a ski lock, that I'll be using to lock one pair of skis, maybe two pairs at the most.
 
I've done some reading of similar threads looking for options, but so far I haven't find a best match to what I think would be a good skis lock.
 
What I'm looking for it's something that should be:
- decently safe, meaning not easily picked in a matter of seconds/minutes;
- decently strong cable, not easily cut in a couple of seconds neither
- small enough to fit a pocket. 
 
What I've seen so far in terms of locks:
- combination locks of sorts - these seem to be easily picked, plenty of tube videos on that
- retractable cable locks - good portability, but not very secure as most of the time the cable is very thin
- safeman locks - better than retractable and portable enough, but cable is only 4mm which I'm not sure if it's strong enough to need some obvious cutting device that it's not easy to hide from onlookers
- cable locks that seem stronger being thicker ( 6-8mm or more ) with key lock, not combination lock. Some from Master Lock or similar manufacturers. These seem rather good in security, but seem they won't fit easily into a pocket, and I don't think I'd want some bulky metal in my backpack, can't do much good in case of nasty fall. 
 
For instance I've seen the OnGuard 5029 which seems rather good at 8mm ( even if on their scale 1-5 is "only" 2+ in terms of security ), but at 440g, it doesn't look that pocketable after all.
 
And by simple mathematics, a 6mm cable lock in the same length would weight around 330g, which is a bit better, but still on the rather heavy end. So in order to go below 250g, the cable would be 4mm maybe 5mm tops. And again, if some kind of cutting device deals easily with a 4mm, it will deal almost equaly easy with a 5mm. Hmmm, the Doberman 5029 is 180cm long, I think it's two long even for two pair of skis, would a 120cm do ? This way the weight will be ... around 300g for an 8mm, meaning 200g for a 6mm ...
 
Am I missing something, is there a better solution ? Is 6mm better than a 4mm or only slightly better ? Or below 8mm is about the same level, so I'll have to make a compromise in security or deal with heavy pockets ?
 
Thank you for any idea, suggestion, alternative ...
post #35 of 42
Just get a skikey lock www.skikey.com easy,very small and way safer than any cable lock. Not all Resorts have their racks but seeing more and more! They have a location tab on their site which shows the resort list
post #36 of 42

I use this for locking 1 or 2 pairs of skis. Python Cable lock 5mm 6 foot long, 8 ounces

 

.  It's nice because you can lock the cable at any length and make it tight around the skis and ski rack.

post #37 of 42
Well, I've been using the ski key for over a year and pretty happy with it. My gear is pretty high end and no issue. For resorts that lack tasks key, I rack the skis separately and far apart; I also face the base of the ski in Opposite directions to make it trickier, mind you most resorts have ski key racks but at times I am forced to use the method.

OP, it's been two seasons, what did you end up doing and how do you feel about it?
post #38 of 42
I was looking at my retractable cable lock and skis, and suddenly realized something. A lot of the newer skis comes with these quick adjust binding/rails, so doesn't matter how you tie your ski with giant cables, all it takes is to lift a lever to slide the binding off the rail, and they are off with your skis leaving you with only part of the binding.
post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

I was looking at my retractable cable lock and skis, and suddenly realized something. A lot of the newer skis comes with these quick adjust binding/rails, so doesn't matter how you tie your ski with giant cables, all it takes is to lift a lever to slide the binding off the rail, and they are off with your skis leaving you with only part of the binding.

 

And the theif has  ski with only part of a binding and will have difficulty selling it escpecially if it is a "system" ski and the missing binding part is only available through a ski shop who sells that brand of skis. 

 

I don't really think if you have that type of binding that you are any more at risk  compared to having a regular fixed binding with a cable going through it.

 

Rick G

post #40 of 42
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

I was looking at my retractable cable lock and skis, and suddenly realized something. A lot of the newer skis comes with these quick adjust binding/rails, so doesn't matter how you tie your ski with giant cables, all it takes is to lift a lever to slide the binding off the rail, and they are off with your skis leaving you with only part of the binding.

 

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Originally Posted by rickg View Post

 

And the theif has  ski with only part of a binding and will have difficulty selling it escpecially if it is a "system" ski and the missing binding part is only available through a ski shop who sells that brand of skis. 

 

I don't really think if you have that type of binding that you are any more at risk  compared to having a regular fixed binding with a cable going through it.

 

Rick G


I think the greatest risk with locked skis is where people just run the cable through the brake.  Most brakes are extremely easy to quickly remove with a screwdriver, and also easily replaced, far more easy than a toe or heel from a system.

 

Still think it is odd that nobody makes or sells this product anymore..

 

Slide the bar right, put the poles in, slide the bar left, put in the skis and snap it closed.  Then a cable goes through an eye to hold it all secure..

post #41 of 42
I used to have one of those doohickies, came with a Ski Tote. I wonder where it got to?
post #42 of 42
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post



I think the greatest risk with locked skis is where people just run the cable through the brake.  Most brakes are extremely easy to quickly remove with a screwdriver, and also easily replaced, far more easy than a toe or heel from a system.

Still think it is odd that nobody makes or sells this product anymore..

Slide the bar right, put the poles in, slide the bar left, put in the skis and snap it closed.  Then a cable goes through an eye to hold it all secure..

That's actually no longer true from what I've seen, both rail type skis ( one quick adjustable one not) I have the brake hooks onto the heel piece before sliding onto rail, so you can't remove the brake without remove the heel binding first.

As for the cable, it looks pretty easy to make from home depot parts. Although with the quick adjustable rails it's actually more vulnerable, since it doesn't attach to the skis, just remove heel binding, slide ski out, reattach, and viola.
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