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So I had my first day out yesterday on the new Dalbello Boss ID's.  Conditions were certainly less than perfect - particularly by Utah standards, but there was enough white to cover most of the sharp pokey objects on the trail.  Off piste was not happening at all - just not enough coverage.  Generally it was dust on corduroy, with a little bit of crud/mashed potatoes/dust on the sides in spots.  Cold.  Probably somewhere in the 10-15 degree range most of the day.  I was on my new Prophet 100's, which for their own part, skied like a dream.

 

The fit has had me a bit concerned from the start of course, as I have never experienced such a tight feel in a boot before.  It is certainly tight.  On both feet, the toes went numb almost immediately - probably within 2-5 minutes or so.  And although I didn't feel any pressure point 'hot-spots' per se, my left inner ankle was extremely sore by mid day.  It felt even worse on the chair with the weight of the ski hanging on the boot (I almost never use the bar...perhaps I should).  By the end of the day, I'd call the left ankle about a half step below excruciating.

 

I thought that there might have been a small chance the toes started to feel a tiny bit less numb towards the last few runs - but everything else was so uncomfortable at that point I could easily have simply shifted my concentration on to something more painful like the ankles.  At no point did my feet ever feel cold - although I did stop four or five times during the day and had to pull my feet out to let feeling back into my toes for 15-20 minutes or so.  My toes were cool to the touch, but not cold.  I had the top and mid (ankle) buckles on the first (longest possible) catch and the micro adjusted all the way out as well.  I couldn't buckle the insteps at all without even greater discomfort and numbness.

 

Still, they're cool, and see-through, and orange, and they say BO$$ with dollar signs!  I love these things!  biggrin.gif  I'm not giving up yet, and I'm sure that if they make my feet fall off, that eventually they'll grow back and I can start over again.  hehehe  Either way, I'm gonna head up to Park City Ski Boot & Pedorthic one of these days soon and try to get things smoothed out a bit further.  But I'm wondering if this is normal on a first day - even when you're up and moving down the mountain?

 

As another interesting aside, I felt much more comfortable and stable on my left turns than my right.  If memory serves, I do believe my left leg is very slightly shorter than my right.  Could this lead to a left turn preference with a slightly shorter uphill leg?  I don't recall this feeling that pronounced in the past - but perhaps that was due to the far more relaxed fit in previous boots?  I would think that this might lead to a slight left lean, but I'm not a foot guy.

 

Any thoughts?  :)  And thanks in advance again for the knowledge!

 

Bri~

post #2 of 6

You have the iD liner and your in that much discomfort? A properly molded iD liner should feel pretty much $$$ from the start, I'd say something is wrong, like the boots are not molded...

 

do you hav a footbed?

how is the shell fit?

were they molded?

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double post - sorry~
 

 


Edited by Uilleann - 12/5/11 at 8:46pm
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Something seems wrong. You should feel like you have a tight fit, but the liner should feel good after molding, snug but not "get this thing off my f*cking foot" tight. Did you have toe-caps on during the molding? How tight did you buckle the boot when they were molded? The liner should be a molded to both your foot and the shell... sounds like they don't fit your foot OR the shell.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

You have the iD liner and your in that much discomfort? A properly molded iD liner should feel pretty much $$$ from the start, I'd say something is wrong, like the boots are not molded...

 

do you hav a footbed?

how is the shell fit?

were they molded?

I do.  DFP Podiums were also thermo molded before the liners.  The fit has always felt crazy tight - but as this is my first experience with a custom fit and thermo molding, I was expecting it to be tight and uncomfortable in the shop.  I didn't expect it to remain so on the mountain.

Is there an easy means for one new to this process to determine if a proper mold was completed visually?  The guys at the shop spent a crazy long amount of time with me, and we did shell fit several boots.  In the end, it came down to the Dalbello or a Lange Rx100.  I went with the Dal because of the intuition liner.  The shell fit on both was, to my best memory anyway, right about where it should have been.

 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

Something seems wrong. You should feel like you have a tight fit, but the liner should feel good after molding, snug but not "get this thing off my f*cking foot" tight. Did you have toe-caps on during the molding? How tight did you buckle the boot when they were molded? The liner should be a molded to both your foot and the shell... sounds like they don't fit your foot OR the shell.

It certainly is far less on the "snug" side, and much more on the "Get it the F off!" side.  :)  I don't think you should have to stop multiple times during your ski day to give your feet a chance for feeling to return should you?  They did use toe caps - two on each foot in fact if I remember correctly - one thinner and a slightly thicker one over top of that.  I also had thin socks on as well.  I don't think we could get any of the buckles past the first catch in the shop either during the cool off, with everything in and latched down.

 

I suppose my greatest question is how to best go about trying to get this sorted out.  My understanding is that the Intuition liners can only be molded so many times (like twice??) before they start to break down?  Would a re-heat be a good place to start, or do I run a greater risk of the thing shrinking too much?  I believe the shop will be helpful in trying to get it sorted - but I am hoping to know as much as I can before I go back so as not to chase problems that may not actually exist.

 

Thanks for the feedback all!
 

Brian~

 

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*A quick update...*

 

I returned to the original shop here in SLC, and spent another couple hours with the boot fitters.  After a solid discussion about all the issues I was experiencing, and discussing the different options available to get everything corrected properly, we started out with a fresh shell fit, and it was determined I was indeed in the proper size shell at a 25.5.  I took some shots of my feet on the Brannock in case anyone was interested) - not that it really changes things at this stage I suppose) - just more for my own curiosity:

 

Left Mondo.jpgRight Mondo.jpg

Left Brannock.jpgRight Brannock.jpg

 

 

It was decided that we would be best served simply re-heating both liners.  This round was a fair bit more aggressive than the first, using spot padding, and larger toe caps.  We also moved the instep buckles to allow for better closure across the top of each foot.

 

This time, with all the extra padding on the hot spots, and the extra tight clip-in during the cool down it was quite the experience.  P-a-i-n-f-u-l.  yahoo.gif

 

But I think the end result was far better this round.  I hope to get out again and give them a solid run through in the next few weeks as work and life allow the time to do so.  I'll be sure to post back with initial results of round 2.  Thanks all for the suggestions, insight and general patience and help so far!

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