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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Okay here's the deal, I'm an intermediate to advanced intermediate overall (comfortable on groomed blacks at speed but still a bit sketchy on ungroomed blacks/moguls)  and I ski mostly east coast conditions here (Wintergreen and Snowshoe) with a yearly trip out west.  I currently ski the Rossi Zenith Z9 and realize my skis are a bit dated and I need to step up to the all the new tech available out there.  I've been looking specifically at the Rossi E88 given the great press its received and I feel it could be my all everything quiver; unfortunately nobody around my area has or will have the E88 available for demo, so I'm kinda stuck at the moment.  I really would like to buy in time for the start of ski season but I also don't want to fork over $700 and risk not liking the ski.  Basically, I've never demo'd before buying but for the first time I'm considering it as I'm confident that I'll absolutely love the E88.  With all that being said, any thoughts here?  Any E88 (or other E series) owners out there that can reassure me that, barring something totally unexpected, I'll absolutely love the ski and it will work well with typical mid-atlantic conditions and my riding style (aggressive and athletic overall, '6'0 195).  Thanks in advance..

post #2 of 18

I'm not at all sure the Zenith Z9 is all that dated for skiing in the mid-Atlantic... but the E88 would be a really fun all-mountain ski, you can probably buy them and be thrilled without a demo. Just do it.

post #3 of 18
I am in almost the same situation. I have been on a pair of Rossi Viper Z's for lots of years. I have been researching the new stuff trying to whittle it down to a few pairs. I have my eyes on the 88's and the 82 basalts look very interesting. I've been itching to pull the trigger but have been waiting as patiently as I can to demo. We were supposed to have a demo weekend at my hill this weekend but the weather has now pushed it out till Dec. 30 (ugh). If I were you I would see if any demo days going on at any mountains near by. If that doesn't work, lots of mountains have demo stuff in their shops and will typically put the cost of a demo towards the purchase. I have also been "youtubing" every ski that I have been interested in, lots and lots and lots of stellar reviews on those 88's. Good luck and pray for snow!
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by Cville4 View Post

  Any E88 (or other E series) owners out there that can reassure me that, barring something totally unexpected, I'll absolutely love the ski and it will work well with typical mid-atlantic conditions and my riding style (aggressive and athletic overall, '6'0 195).  Thanks in advance..


In the Gear Review section, there is a thread about the E88 (You've  probably read it). Among the reviewers is Philpug, who does a lot of ski gear reviews at Epic. Phil is about your size and is a hard charging expert skier. Phil has added  the E88 to his own ski quiver and that will be go-to ski during harder snow conditions. Phil also helped me in selecting my first wider ski which is also an 88 waist. Personally, in the east, I would not go wider than 88 and it took the experience of skiing an 88 to make that call. When Phil states it's a very good ski, listen! That's about as close to a guarantee as anyone can expect, but, nothing is guaranteed in ski reviews.

 

Perhaps the bigger question is will you like the increased size/weight, larger turning radius and slower edge to edge transition. Like Whiteroom stated, your present ski works in typical eastern conditions. 88's are fun skis to cruise on, but there is a tradeoff in quickness.

 

post #5 of 18

Thanks Mike,

 

HERE is my updated review of the Experience 88. If I was looking for a playful frontside biased 88 for the east, the E88 would be at the top of my list, heck I got it for Tahoe for when we have dry spells that I refer to as "good eastern conditions". This ski comes two ways, as a system and also flat, I prefer the flat version so I can put on the binding of my choice besides, while Rossi/Dynastar's system is easy to adjust, it really adds unneeded weight. 

post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks Phil---any particular bindings you'd recommend with the E88?
post #7 of 18

I have seen the Rossi listed as a Rossignol Experience 88 and a Rossignol Experience 88 Open ... any difference? ....

 

Cville4 ... I saw on Phil's review that he mounted his with the FKS 155's. I always loved my turntable bindings (Look or Rossi).

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Originally Posted by TomCrac View Post

I have seen the Rossi listed as a Rossignol Experience 88 and a Rossignol Experience 88 Open ... any difference? ....

 

Cville4 ... I saw on Phil's review that he mounted his with the FKS 155's. I always loved my turntable bindings (Look or Rossi).



One is a system ski with integrated binding, the other a conventional flat ski

 

post #9 of 18

Thank you.

post #10 of 18

So just a thought here.  I hear you say that you want to buy the new ski before the start of the ski season, so don't have time to demo. 

 

What's the rush?  Why not use what you have, since it's worked for you this far, until you do have a chance to demo? 

 

I don't think it's a bad idea to buy before demo, per se. I think it's a better idea to demo. Even the best review or recommdation is someone else's interpretation of the skiing experience with that ski. Your own experience is what you're really after.

 

 

 

 

post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
Very true but remember my main problem is nobody around me will have the E88 as a demo; that's my predicament.
post #12 of 18

I have never demoed a ski before buying it.

 

I have some skis I like better than others 

 

None of the above makes me a better or worse skier

 

My steps to buying a ski

 

1.  Find a ski you like for whatever reason strikes your fancy

2.  Buy said ski

3.  Ski said ski

4.  Learn to like said ski and if you are luck love said ski

5.  Ski said ski whether you like it or love it

 

 

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

I have never demoed a ski before buying it.

 

I have some skis I like better than others 

 

None of the above makes me a better or worse skier

 

My steps to buying a ski

 

1.  Find a ski you like for whatever reason strikes your fancy

2.  Buy said ski

3.  Ski said ski

4.  Learn to like said ski and if you are luck love said ski

5.  Ski said ski whether you like it or love it

 

 

The point being that if you CAN demo a ski beforehand, it's a far better idea. Life's (and ski season) are far too short to learn to ski on something you're not in love with, not to mention the waste of time and money.

 

Last season I had a set of Sultan 85's based on reviews, and the fact that the Legend 8000 has been one of my all-time favorite skis. Hated it. Read about Dynastar's problem with base finsh so I got them fully tuned - still hated it. If I'd driven them before, I would have known it wasn't for me but it was for someone else.

 

Let's see, I can also put the Atomic Beta Carves in the "wish I'd demo'd it first" category as well as some other things.

 

Now, if I hadn't by chance demoed the Atomic Access, I wouldn't have known that I loved it. Same for my old ObSETHed's - demo drive made me a believer. Glad I tried AC30 and AC50 to know that it was a one trick pony that could do damn little well, and the Recon to know that I don't know if there was ever anything more boring on my feet. Hey - everyone like something different, so I can first-hand say that while reviews are fine, you don't know until you try if it's for you or not.

 

The BBR's however, while they were fun, I wouldn't even pony up $40 for a full rental day afterwards.
 

 

post #14 of 18

I recently was in the same situation. I got back into skiing after a decade off while going through college and the first few years of my career. Last year I picked it up again like I never missed a day. I decided to buy skis this year and I was also taken with the E88. The reviews from both magazines and forums seem to think it is a great ski. I hemmed and hawed for a few weeks and finally went to a local shop that carried them, talked to the salesman for a while, and ended up getting a pair with bindings for cheaper than I had seen anywhere online. (plus I got a free ski pass!)

 

Here was my final thought process, maybe it will help you:

 

  • I did not currently own any skis, and wanted a set for this season.
  • I was really excited about the E88s. I tried to get excited about other cheaper, older, and/or contemporary skis, but couldn't get my pulse going with any of them.
  • I realized that I've never in my life skied on a pair of skis that I actually disliked. From beginners, to poorly tuned rentals, to quality skis I owned when I was younger, I could ALWAYS have fun on whatever I was on.
  • If I want a pair of skis this season to avoid renting, AND I'm excited about the E88s after a couple of weeks of trying to distract myself from them, AND I've never disliked any skis... then why don't I just stop worrying about it and buy the skis I want, then enjoy them when it finally starts snowing!?

 

If I lived in an area where I could demo skis easily without driving 3 hours each way to do it, I'd probably go for it. However, like you, that wasn't really a reality for me. Some people are really into the technicalities of their gear and think it is idiotic to spend so much on skis without trying them. They might be right, I wouldn't know. I'm certainly that way with other things.  In the end, I just trusted my gut and went for it. I have no doubt that I will have a blast on them this season.

 

 

post #15 of 18

I'm in almost the same situation (college and all), and I'm also looking at the same skies.  However I do have an old pair that works, even if they are 12 years old at this point.  But I'm going to make the 3 hour trip to hit a demo this weekend.  The main issue though is that I'm not sure how much the demo is really going to tell me because most of the resort isn't open yet and about the only thing that is open is groomed, which isn't going to tell me how they perform in other situations.

And I haven't found any other semi-local demos before March, so most of the way through the season.

The one nice thing about waiting is that I'm not tempted to ride my new skies in the early season conditions, my old skies took a beating 2 weeks ago when I went (I needed to warm up to be ready for the demo days after all)

 

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Originally Posted by gibs View Post

I recently was in the same situation. I got back into skiing after a decade off while going through college and the first few years of my career. Last year I picked it up again like I never missed a day. I decided to buy skis this year and I was also taken with the E88. The reviews from both magazines and forums seem to think it is a great ski. I hemmed and hawed for a few weeks and finally went to a local shop that carried them, talked to the salesman for a while, and ended up getting a pair with bindings for cheaper than I had seen anywhere online. (plus I got a free ski pass!)

 

Here was my final thought process, maybe it will help you:

 

  • I did not currently own any skis, and wanted a set for this season.
  • I was really excited about the E88s. I tried to get excited about other cheaper, older, and/or contemporary skis, but couldn't get my pulse going with any of them.
  • I realized that I've never in my life skied on a pair of skis that I actually disliked. From beginners, to poorly tuned rentals, to quality skis I owned when I was younger, I could ALWAYS have fun on whatever I was on.
  • If I want a pair of skis this season to avoid renting, AND I'm excited about the E88s after a couple of weeks of trying to distract myself from them, AND I've never disliked any skis... then why don't I just stop worrying about it and buy the skis I want, then enjoy them when it finally starts snowing!?

 

If I lived in an area where I could demo skis easily without driving 3 hours each way to do it, I'd probably go for it. However, like you, that wasn't really a reality for me. Some people are really into the technicalities of their gear and think it is idiotic to spend so much on skis without trying them. They might be right, I wouldn't know. I'm certainly that way with other things.  In the end, I just trusted my gut and went for it. I have no doubt that I will have a blast on them this season.

 

 



 

post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hey UGA....fellow UGA grad here. good to see some Georgia people around these parts.
post #17 of 18

Phil,

 

How would the E88 and E98 relate to the S3?  Would it be stiffer and more Bonafide-like or would you consider the S3 to be equivalent to the Bones?

post #18 of 18

Dear Phil,

 

I am your size and ski less and not nearly as well here in CO.  Have you skied the Nordica Steadfast and if so can you compare to the rossi88 and the mx88? 

 

 

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