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Is there a setup to allow heel lock down with Alpina Cross-Terrain skis, Alpina BC boot?

post #1 of 14
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Rookie question for sure.

 

Right now I'm using a Rotafella NNN BC binding on my Cross-Terrains and Alpina BC boot but would like to occasionally have the ability to lock down my heels. Is there an available binding that would allow me to continue using the same boot?

 

I'm 60 years old, 170 lbs. and won't be jumping off cliffs. I do want to occasionally enjoy a semi-steep descent. I'm also a downhiller so would rather carve the turns alpine style rather that a telemark turn.

 

I've considered going with a Marker Baron/Duke on my Rossi S3 setup but really don't see the need for that heavy a setup for the lighter touring I'm more likely to be doing.


Edited by melcooke - 12/3/11 at 4:22pm
post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by melcooke View Post

 

 Is there an available binding that would allow me to continue using the same boot?

 


Short answer: No.

 

Longer answer: I have a friend who wanted a BC set-up, she bought a light weight tele set-up but quickly decided she wasn't a fan of the tele turn (she was also a former USST Dev Team member, so she could alpine pretty good...). She decided to modify the tele binding by adding a booster strap http://www.skimetrix.com/instruction.html  that ran under the tele heel riser and could be tightened over her heel/instep to hold her heel down but be loosened to skin up. Imagine a strap sandwiched under the heel of the binding and the ski, run at a 45* angle over the front of the ankle, effectively pulling the heel back and down onto the ski. She thought it worked pretty good. That was with a plastic tele boot, a soft NNN boot isn't going to give much support for "carving the turns alpine style" though.

 

What you are looking for is a rando-racing set-up, a super light ski with a light boot and tech fitting binding and kicker skins.

 

post #3 of 14

I got a pair of Silvretta Easy Gos, 505's, I think. The bale fits any boot that has at least a 'rim'. I use my T4's, T3's or Hurricanes. It's considered an approach binding for climbers with climbing boots. Super light and can be used with about anything (not sure about BC-NNN boots...but maybe, though my BC-NNN seem too light). I also installed ss inserts in my Atomic Chugaches so I could swap out the Silvrettas to tele binders. Same for other skis so I have the choice.

 

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The strap idea sounds interesting, WR. For years I wished to be AC/DC have the option to lock down the heel of tele bindings on occasions but with release.

 

 

post #4 of 14

You can make parallel "alpine" turns with a free heel.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

 

...I have a friend who wanted a BC set-up, she bought a light weight tele set-up but quickly decided she wasn't a fan of the tele turn (she was also a former USST Dev Team member, so she could alpine pretty good...). She decided to modify the tele binding by adding a booster strap http://www.skimetrix.com/instruction.html  that ran under the tele heel riser and could be tightened over her heel/instep to hold her heel down but be loosened to skin up. Imagine a strap sandwiched under the heel of the binding and the ski, run at a 45* angle over the front of the ankle, effectively pulling the heel back and down onto the ski. She thought it worked pretty good...

 

 

Pathetic.
 

 

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Originally Posted by melcooke View Post

Rookie question for sure.

 

Right now I'm using a Rotafella NNN BC binding on my Cross-Terrains and Alpina BC boot but would like to occasionally have the ability to lock down my heels. Is there an available binding that would allow me to continue using the same boot?

 

I'm 60 years old, 170 lbs. and won't be jumping off cliffs. I do want to occasionally enjoy a semi-steep descent. I'm also a downhiller so would rather carve the turns alpine style rather that a telemark turn.

 

I've considered going with a Marker Baron/Duke on my Rossi S3 setup but really don't see the need for that heavy a setup for the lighter touring I'm more likely to be doing.


I did a bit of research into this earlier this year before prchasing a NNNBC setup. NNNBC boots are not compatible wiht any alpine bindings. I still don't think NNNBC boots have enough beef to drive a ski downhill effectively enough to "enjoy a semi-steep descent". And certainly not unless you are already an expert nordic skier.

 

I think a pair of dynafit speeds are in your future.

post #7 of 14

In the old, old days, there was a contraption some people bought that was essentially a catch for the heel of a nordic boot.  You glued a piece onto the heel of your boot and then mounted this plastic arm/catch item on your ski.  If you wanted to "lock down" your heel, you simply engaged the catch. 

 

But it's been a lonnnnnngggggg time since I saw any of these and I never really saw that many to begin with.  I don't think they worked all that well or else we might still have a niche product.  I agree with tromano that no nordic boot really has that much beef.  Far better to learn how to telemark at least a little or simply parallel without heel locked down on moderate descents.  If'n you want to go steeper, learn to tele even better or buy a pair of superlight "tech" AT bindings like the aforementioned Dynafits.

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Pathetic.
 

 



You know what I find pathetic? Anyone who tries to tell anyone else how they 'should': Procreate, Meditate or Recreate.

 

get a life and let others live theirs how every they see fit.

post #9 of 14

True, I apologize for that. There's nothing wrong with tying the heels down for the descent. I tied down my boots for most of my skiing life, and some of the best times I've had were alpine skiing.

 

In my fantasy, the high level alpine racer with a lightweight tele set-up wants to ski them freeheel. redface.gif

post #10 of 14

 

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But it's been a lonnnnnngggggg time since I saw any of these and I never really saw that many to begin with.  I don't think they worked all that well or else we might still have a niche product.

 

I'm going to go with 'niche product',      I have been seeing NNN-BC setups /with heel cables/ about 1 pair every other month on ebay.     The Cross Terrain really wants a heel-cable level of control on downhills.

 

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  Far better to learn how to telemark at least a little or simply parallel without heel locked down on moderate descents.  If'n you want to go steeper, learn to tele even better o

 

For the OP,  this essentially reduces to "get either a teleboot with a plastic cuff or a alpine rando boot".      I'd probably suggest a Voile Switchback here, or at the very least a Rottefella Chili.

 

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  I agree with tromano that no nordic boot really has that much beef.

 

Heh.    As soon as I get my camera battery functional again I'll post pics.

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

here here

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the comments. I kinda knew that what I want is not what I've got. Yet another setup for my garage wall it appears and I'll explore some of the options given in the replies.

 

Telerod, I can indeed make parallel turns in my NNN BC setup but only on pretty low angle stuff. For sure the boots don't have the necessary stiffness, at least not at my skill level.

 

@Cantunamunch, is the Voile Switchback or Rotefella Chili the cable setup for NNN-BC you're seeing on eBay?

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@Cantunamunch, is the Voile Switchback or Rotefella Chili the cable setup for NNN-BC you're seeing on eBay?



Sadly, no.    The Switchback is the free-est hinging current binding I could think of for this context, and the Chili is one of the most minimalist, both of which are desirable traits for climbing.

 

 

NNN-BC + cable is something that was pretty niche from the late 90's to about 2002.    AFAIK, only Alpina and Alico made boots for it  (The other suspects like Asolo and Merrell were too invested in 75mm at the time).    
The boots looked like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=220905832766

post #14 of 14
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the link didn't work, I just get a spinning wheel when the page tries to load.

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