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Tuning BBRs

post #1 of 10
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Any tricks for tuning the new Salomon BBR skis? With the crazy new shape, I have to wonder how much detuning is required for the extra wide tip and the relatively narrow tail.

post #2 of 10

The shop that installed my bindings (Solamon sth12 driver) detuned to one inch past the contact points.  I do not know what Salomon recommends, I intend to call them soon.

post #3 of 10

I called Salomon USA.  The tech person I spoke with was somewhat evasive, stating that in general some people detune tips & tails to avoid hooking (which I was aware of).  She recommended using wet/dry sandpaper.  She did say that the edge angles were 1.5 % 1.5 but she was not sure whether those were the factory edge angles or the ones they generally recommend for other skis.

 

It seems to me that the best practice is to  start with a very light tetuning, using only light pressure with a stone or fine diamond file, and then see how the skis perform.  If hooking is a problem, then detune progressively until hooking is no longer a problem.  To begin the process with an aggresive rounding of the tip/tail with a metal file seems crude, unless the shop thinks that the customer is incapable of doing the fine de-tune himself.

 

My purpose was simply to have my skis tuned/detuned the same as the demo skies.  It was those demos that convinced me to purchase the BBR.

 

By the way, the Salomon STH12 driver toe binding has been excellent.  The extra long wings in the toe really lock in the toe of the boot.  The driver toe is said to have excellent elasticity, and the heel is very strong.

 

If I get more definitive information on BBR tune/detune, I will post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #4 of 10

BBR 8.9 & 7.9 all lengths Tuning Info as per Salomon

 

"1.5 base edge, 1.5 side edge, minimum tuning length tail to tip contact point, with maximum tuning length +50 mm past tip contact length toward tip."

 

We are finding that 1.5 base edge is too much, and 1 degree is more ideal,   and using 2 degree for the side edge.  As well, I just put on 1/.7/1 base edge for staff member who is skiing tomorrow.  We also tune 50mm past tip contact point  for skiers that know how to engage the edge at the rocker area of the tip. BTW these bevels are to maximize performance in hardpack conditions 

 

Salomon has expanded the BBR series for 2013 to 7 or so models.  Which means this ski isn't going away anytime soon.

 

 

 

post #5 of 10

 

 

 

The 1.5/1.5 recommendation is something they've had since the XScream years.    I ignored  it then and wound up having more fun on 1/2  than on the stock tune anyway.

 

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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post


 

We are finding that 1.5 base edge is too much, and 1 degree is more ideal,   and using 2 degree for the side edge.  As well, I just put on 1/.7/1 base edge for staff member who is skiing tomorrow.  We also tune 50mm past tip contact point  for skiers that know how to engage the edge at the rocker area of the tip. BTW these bevels are to maximize performance in hardpack conditions



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post #6 of 10

What is the point (no pun intended....................ROTF.gif)of a 1.5 degree side edge bevel?

 

1st of all any of the really quality side edge bevel tools do a 1 , 2 or 3 and so forth. no .5 degree. increment available.

 

Just do a 1 BE /2 SE and call it a day!

post #7 of 10

jus an update -  those bevels worked out great.  Dude said it was like being on a different ski, he was pretty stoked.

post #8 of 10

Chenzo,

 

Thank you for your feedback regarding chaning the factory bevels to one degree base, two degrees side.  That is a pretty common edge profile.  However, unless I am missing something, going from a base angle of 1.5 to 1.0 would require a mild base grind.   Since it impossible (as a practical matter) to "add" steel to the bottom of the edge, the only way that I can see to reduced the bottom edge angle would be to grind down the base and then re-tune the bottom edge angle to one degree.  This sounds like a more ambitious project than most home tuners would be capable of undetaking.

 

But perhaps I am missing something.

 

post #9 of 10

You take it to a shop and get them to grind the base edge back to zero. Then you retune to a 1 degree.


 

Very common among home tuners

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Originally Posted by JerrySki View Post

Chenzo,

 

Thank you for your feedback regarding chaning the factory bevels to one degree base, two degrees side.  That is a pretty common edge profile.  However, unless I am missing something, going from a base angle of 1.5 to 1.0 would require a mild base grind.   Since it impossible (as a practical matter) to "add" steel to the bottom of the edge, the only way that I can see to reduced the bottom edge angle would be to grind down the base and then re-tune the bottom edge angle to one degree.  This sounds like a more ambitious project than most home tuners would be capable of undetaking.

 

But perhaps I am missing something.

 



 

post #10 of 10

Yup, Like he said.. ^^^  Unless you have a stone grinder at home smile.gif

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