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Dalbello Cross vs Boss... and possibly Full Tilt

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

My Skiing Background: 

 

I am a relatively agressive skier without a desire to necessarly go fast. I am a fairly technical skier and have no trouble skiing anything inbounds.  I ski a lot of moguls (bought some F17's last year) and am therefore looking for a less stiff and smooth flexing boot. I am currently in a pair of Dalbello Avanti V9 in a 29.5 (BSL 336).  I find them relatively comfortable, but definitely look forward to pulling them off at the end of the day.  Currently I unbuckle my bottom buckles on the lifts for the mornings and usually feel fine with them done up the whole time after lunch. I am drawn to the ID liners as they are often talked about as being very comfortable all day long.

 

Boots: 

 

I am considering a few boot changes for this season.  1) would be to get some aftermarket liners such as Intuitions and just use my current boots for another few years as is.  I'm not sure this would eliminate my need to unbuckle the bottom 2 on the lifts but given that there is nothing degraded or broken on them, it is the most pragmatic/economical approach.

 

2) I tried on the regular (non ID) Dalbello Cross and really liked the flex pattern.  I found them quite snug but couldn't decide if it was too small across the lower foot and instep. The place i went to doesn't have any of the ID Dalbello models so I was just trying them as a starting point to compare to. I would love to try the Boss's but haven't been able to find a place that carries them. 

 

3) I'm also interested in some of the Full Tilt boots as I used to ski in Rachles when i was a kid, but i have been told mixed comments on if they would work with my feet or not.  Although narrow, i was told their toe box is actually less pointy then the Kryptons.  I also have 2 sets of skis setup with Pivot binders for a 336 BSL so i'm not excited about the prospect of having to relocate both skis.

 

Questions:

 

-will Intuition liners in my current boots make a measurable difference in fit and/or comfort?

-What are the main differences between the Cross and Boss?

-Does anyone in the BlueMountain/Collingwood ON area or Ellicottville NY area carry the Boss/Cross in Regular or ID?

-does the 98mm Full Tilt fit much different from the 98 mm Dalbello in terms of toe width or instep?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

post #2 of 9

Quote:

-will Intuition liners in my current boots make a measurable difference in fit and/or comfort?

-What are the main differences between the Cross and Boss?

-Does anyone in the BlueMountain/Collingwood ON area or Ellicottville NY area carry the Boss/Cross in Regular or ID?

-does the 98mm Full Tilt fit much different from the 98 mm Dalbello in terms of toe width or instep?

 

Thanks in advance!

 



1) intuitions will make boots a bit tighter to start wiht, but will packout to about the same as your current liners in 20+ days.  The shell of your boot is still what the liners pack out too, and if thsi isn't right (too wide?) the liners wont help long term.  If you do go this route, get some bigger/ thicker volume ones

 

2)  No idea

 

3)  FT boots are 97-98mm and the dalbello kryptons are 100mm

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/145107-full-tilt-vs-krypton-boot-info?p=2168120#post2168120

post #3 of 9

Unlikely liners will help your comfort issues in your current boots which are higher volume than the Kryptons.  If you found the Kryptons perhaps reasonable then I'll venture the guess that the reason you unbuckle your current boots is they are too big.

 

Lou

post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies.
 

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

Unlikely liners will help your comfort issues in your current boots which are higher volume than the Kryptons.  If you found the Kryptons perhaps reasonable then I'll venture the guess that the reason you unbuckle your current boots is they are too big.

 

Lou


Interesting theory.  Is your thought that I'm over-tightening the buckles to make up for any extra volume? If that is the case then is there any reason I find them better in the afternoon once they are warmed up and perhaps a little damp? I unbuckle them completely and often remove them all together at lunch, then when i head back out they seem to be fine buckled up the rest of the day.  I just assumed it had something to do with them being worked all morning and then wet and warmed when i take them off at lunch.

 

To address the first poster: I'm fairly certain that the Kryptons are all 98 mm... at least that is what Dalbello's website shows.

 

 

UPDATE:  I tried on a pair of Dalbello Voodoo's today in a 28 shell.  Likely too short, but the I think the width was nicer.  I did notice that the tong is a little different and does not seem to open as clean or far as on the Krypts. I then looked at the Boss photos again and it appears to be the same as the Voodoo.  I'm not sure that is a break point for me, but i would sure love to hear from someone who has actual knowledge on some of the differences between the Krypton's and the Boss.  Also, any info on how the Il Moro T differs from the other Kryptons (Pro, Cross, Rampage).

 

Thanks!

 

 

post #5 of 9

All Kryptons are exactly the same fit and I would call it a 98.  Different flex and perhaps zeppa but exactly same shape lower and upper.  You are correct about my theory and I can't explain what happens in the afternoon although there are similar sensations for people who originally get very cold feet, warm them up and they then stay warm.  Not certain of the physiology but perhaps one of the other guys here is.

 

Lou

post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 

I've got more info and consequently more questions.  I also have another thread which discussed some Mondo sizing questions and can be found here for the complete story:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/107966/do-last-sizes-change-with-mondo-sizes-kryptons

 

Here is a quick summary of the boots I have tried on to date:

29.5 Cross - Regular Liner

28.5 Voodoo - Regular Liner

27.5 Il Moro T ID

28.5 FT Drop Kick

 

Originally I was leaning heavily to the Dalbellos because I didn't want to have to change my bindings, but after doing more measures and fits, it has become obvious that I should have been in a 28.5 all along and my bindings will need to be moved anyway... so my initial bias is gone. 

 

I tried the Cross a few weeks back and liked it, but didn't like the shop i was at and they didn't have the ID version so i held off till i could try the ID and a Full Tilt.

 

I tried the Voodoo in a 28.5 but didn't like the tongue feel as i don't think its a true 3 piece cabrio plus it wasn't an ID.

 

The 27.5 Il Moro was in a 28.5 box. When i put it on i was thinking, wow, that is super tight, but it was also the first Intuition liner i have every tried so just thought it was that.  When i discovered the size issue i was a little relieved.  The store didn't have any other sizes at that location but gave me another location to try.  I don't actually think i need the Il Moro but that is the only ID boot they carry.  Once i determine if i like the fit more than the FT, i will see if they can special order a Cross ID.

 

I next place i went to had FT's (Sporting Life - Collingwood ON).  I thought i was going to get to try the Hot Dogger, Drop Kick, and Booter but they only had the DK in a 28.5 and don't carry the Booter.  I liked the lightness and initial feel of the boot, but it was quite tight around the widest part of my foot.  The longer i had it on while tight, the worse it got.  The fitter suggested two fixes for this if i liked everything else about it.  He said they can make a custom footbed which will not raise you up significantly.  They start flat (about 2-3 mm thick) and you get in a machine that your feet sink into giving you a perfect mold of your foot.  They cost 150 but he said they would be the best option to keep my foot from falling/flattening and he also said they would not add any significant height.  He said some of the width issues i feel in the boot could be eliminated by this.  He also said they should hold that shape forever unlike the superfeet which he said need to be replaced on a potential yearly basis.  He also said they have a lifetime fit guarantee where they will work on the boot until it is just right.  I liked a lot of what i was hearing, but a couple flags came up.  I couldn't get a good answer what the differences were between the Hotdogger and the DK besides the tongues.  Also, they heated the liners for about 5-10 minutes and then had me strap in tightening the buckles to a fairly tight state.  I'm not that knowledgeable on these liners, but i thought i recalled hearing you shouldn't do them up tightly while molding the intuitions nor should you heat them at all until someone actually buys them since they can only be molded so many times.  The lead bootfitter (Cam) had already left so i could ask him about it. 

 

What are your thoughts on the FT fitting described above and if you think the footbeds i described could potentially make a narrow boot feel less narrow due to the foot not flattening?  Also, any description of how the Hotdogger differs from the DK would be appreciated. 

post #7 of 9

Full tilt only makes 2 boots.  the classic FT shell (98ishmm) and the FTi shell (wider at 102ishmm)  the rest is different colors, and different flex tongues (that you can swap out anyways)

 

liners can be heated a few times,   if the buckles are tight during heating the liners will compress more, making the boot feel bigger.   All heating and/or buckleing does is speed up what is  going to happen anyways.  no magic involved.

 

did anyone do a shell fit with this boot for you?

 

post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 

Yes i did a shell fit in the FTs but he was only concerned with length as he said they could blow out any width spots that were an issue.  I don't want to seem like i know more than i do, but if all the original shell boots are the same, why are there price differences?  I looked again at the FT website and pulled up the Specs PDF.  it looks the differences between the HD and DK are as follows:

 

HD DK Comments
6 Flex 4 Flex Already knew this
Liner = Pro Liner = Performer HD seemed thicker in store
High Density I-Foam Reg Density I-Foam HD seemed thicker in store
Powerwrap    
J-Bar    

 

Price was about $50 more for the HD.  Other than not having my size in the HD, i think i would have leaned that way to try it on.

 

Any more thoughts or comments, especially regarding how the fit will change with a custom thin footbed, ie, will they feel tighter because a little more material or less tight because the foot will be in the proper position?

 

Thanks

 

post #9 of 9

the FT boots come without any footbed, so adding one, will make the boot tighter over the instep, but might make your foot shorter overall

 

marketing is the change.  buy the flex that is right for you.

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