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Narrow half of a 2 ski quiver for lightweight

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Might get the chance to demo in the spring and seek suggestions for a hardpack ski that will also be OK in shallow crud

 

Me: Like to think I am advanced finesse skier, 5 ft 6 inches, age 56, like off piste and have TST's for deep stuff, but would like something that really carves well and has good edge grip. Don't really like the damp feel - prefer playful so I guess that means softer? I realise that soft but good edge grip are mutually exclusive characteristics to some degree? I have 168 Volkl 5 stars but dont much like them. Too stiff and not great grip for me, and also don't feel all that good carving.

 

I ski most parts of the hill and use medium speed and enjoy medium to short radius turns.

 

I think that if I am going to bother with a 2nd ski it should be quite different to my TST's and give the best chance of enjoying hardpack / ice

 

Thanks for your input

 

 

post #2 of 24

A very good choice would be the Dynastar Course Ti. As packed snow skis go it is about as close to race ski in grip as anything that is available at a reasonable price. The CTi is not overly stiff and like most Dynastars, it is nimble and lively.

 

SJ

post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

A very good choice would be the Dynastar Course Ti. As packed snow skis go it is about as close to race ski in grip as anything that is available at a reasonable price. The CTi is not overly stiff and like most Dynastars, it is nimble and lively.

 

SJ



How would you say it compares to the Contact 11/Ltd/10 from a few years back, ~Contact Ti (I think made only for a season) and the Contact 4 x 4.  I currently own the C 10 and a local bear owned all 3 so I got a chance to take a few runs his Contact Ti and 4 x 4 (at different times).  They seemed to be similar skis with the 4 x 4 being the stiffest and the 11/Ltd/10 being the softest and the Contact Ti being in the middle. 

post #4 of 24

I would throw the Bizzard Magnum 7.6in the mix. An excellent front side carver, light,playful,nimble, and I have found tremendous edge grip.Great bang for the buck IMO.

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View PostA very good choice would be the Dynastar Course Ti. As packed snow skis go it is about as close to race ski in grip as anything that is available at a reasonable price. The CTi is not overly stiff and like most Dynastars, it is nimble and lively.

 

SJ



Here's a look at the 2012 Dynastar Speed Course Ti, which I've mounted with a Dynastar PX15 Maxflex Racing.

Looking forward to getting on these...  biggrin.gif

 

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post #6 of 24
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How would you say it compares to the Contact 11/Ltd/10 from a few years back, ~Contact Ti (I think made only for a season) and the Contact 4 x 4.  I currently own the C 10 and a local bear owned all 3 so I got a chance to take a few runs his Contact Ti and 4 x 4 (at different times).  They seemed to be similar skis with the 4 x 4 being the stiffest and the 11/Ltd/10 being the softest and the Contact Ti being in the middle. 



I think you have your flex rankings just about spot on. I owned the 4X4 as well in a 172 and for my taste that was the correct size. If I needed to actually own a hard snow ski, I'd buy the CTi in a 177. (In fact, I don't need one but may buy one anyway just b/c it is so much fun on a packed snow day.........biggrin.gif) The current Ti is more nimble feeling and has more energy vs. the 4X4. In retrospect, it's possible that the 4X4 was a little overbuilt. I would not be surprised to learn that the older CTi and this new one were/are basically the same item. IIRC the feel was/is very similar but I can't say for sure as I don't spend a ton of time on this category and my brain is a bit mushy anyway. For sure, the CTi and 4X4 were built quite differently than the C10 For some time now Dynastar has been messing around and tweaking this particular unit and they've always been great skis. Despite getting extremely high scores in hard snow grip from the magazine reviews for two years running this model has not really caught on with the public outside of ski instructors and coaches . Perhaps the racy look is a little intimidating for some folks  or perhaps the category is just weakening. Heck.....we haven't sold any Volkl Codes or Fischer 1000's yet either and those are great skis as well...................th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

SJ

 

 

post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post


 

 



Here's a look at the 2012 Dynastar Speed Course Ti, which I've mounted with a Dynastar PX15 Maxflex Racing.

Looking forward to getting on these...  biggrin.gif

 

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Oooooooh..............you had best buckle up that there chin strap bucko....................biggrin.gif

 

SJ

 

post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks all. It can be difficult to find short skis to demo so I will start researching now for our April Whistler trip

 

Best

 

 

post #9 of 24
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Oooooooh..............you had best buckle up that there chin strap bucko....................biggrin.gif

 

SJ

 



Hahahaha. roflmao.gif

 

 

Lets not forget the Blizzard Ultrasonic. A great hard snow ski for a lighter skier and one of my steals and deals for this season!

post #10 of 24

Thanks SJ...I don't have any skis with me here in France and want to figure out what I should be looking to rent/demo- the 4 x 4 was stiffer than I wanted, but the 177 Cti sounds like it will be a viable option on the firm snow days. 

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post


 

 



Here's a look at the 2012 Dynastar Speed Course Ti, which I've mounted with a Dynastar PX15 Maxflex Racing.

Looking forward to getting on these...  biggrin.gif

 

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After the last few days of skiing I've had, I'm kind of coveting that setup  ... 

 

(Yes, I know that we have had totally average snowfall for the year so far. Last year just ruined all sense of "average," though. #IguessIdidgetspoiled)

 

post #12 of 24
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After the last few days of skiing I've had, I'm kind of coveting that setup  ... 

 

(Yes, I know that we have had totally average snowfall for the year so far. Last year just ruined all sense of "average," though. #IguessIdidgetspoiled)

 



As you should, they are a sweet skis. Both SJ and I are really trying to find a reason to get them for ourselves too. So many skis...so little time. 

post #13 of 24

How would these Dynastars compare to the Élan Amphibio waveflex 14s?

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How would these Dynastars compare to the Élan Amphibio waveflex 14s?



The Dynastars have a conventional camber profile, the Elans have.........uhhhhhh..........welllllll..............something else.

 

Oh!!!!......you mean how do the Elans ski???................No idea.

 

SJ

post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
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The Dynastars have a conventional camber profile, the Elans have.........uhhhhhh..........welllllll..............something else.

 

Oh!!!!......you mean how do the Elans ski???................No idea.

 

SJ



 



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Originally Posted by skinnydog View Post

How would these Dynastars compare to the Élan Amphibio waveflex 14s?




Hopefully quite different. The Amphibio waveflex 12's were a bit too damp for my taste. The 14's are stiffer I think, so at my weight/power would not enjoy...

post #16 of 24

How about the Stocklis, (for example the Laser Cross or the Laser SC) comparing with the Dynastar Contacts?

 

post #17 of 24

Stockli has always built fine skis. They are always on the stiffer end of the spectrum and hence don't fit the menu for the OP very much. Still.......they are fine skis. Compared to the CTi, the Stockli may have better grip and stability for a heavier skier. However the level of grip offered by the CTi is exceptional and I'm just not sure that most folks regardless of ability, aggressiveness or stature will ever need more. However, if one wants more, the Stocklis will offer that for a small fee.

 

SJ

post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Stockli has always built fine skis. They are always on the stiffer end of the spectrum and hence don't fit the menu for the OP very much. Still.......they are fine skis. Compared to the CTi, the Stockli may have better grip and stability for a heavier skier. However the level of grip offered by the CTi is exceptional and I'm just not sure that most folks regardless of ability, aggressiveness or stature will ever need more. However, if one wants more, the Stocklis will offer that for a small fee.

 

SJ

Jim, have you skied the Course Ti in bumps?
 

 

post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by allan o'neil View Post

Jim, have you skied the Course Ti in bumps?
 

 



No.

 

SJ

post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by skinnydog View Post

How would these Dynastars compare to the Élan Amphibio waveflex 14s?


It got good reviews over on expertskier- half 5s and half 4s compared to the Speed Course Ti that got six 5s and two 4s- the better ratings for the S C Ti was in rebound and quickness.  FWIW, the 12 scored better than the 14 and seemed to be considered more user friendly (while the Insomnia got perfect scores and was the ladies ski of the year in that category)

 

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot pass on the whole Amphibio series due to the right/left issue.  If it wasn't a system ski, might appeal to someone with knee bindings though.

 



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Originally Posted by allan o'neil View Post

Jim, have you skied the Course Ti in bumps?
 

 

 


Good question...Anyone have any opinions about which hard snow ski does well in the bumps.  This is one of the things I liked about my Contact 11/Ltd/10 was the user friendly nature in the bumps- part of that was probably the short size compared to my other skis, but part of it was likely that I didn't find it overly stiff.

 

Other than if you are racing, the perfect 2 ski quiver for me has one that performs well on groomers, bumps and skied out off piste with another that does well in powder, soft snow, crud and soft bumps.

 

post #21 of 24

I mentioned the Blizzard Magnum 7.6, I'll mention it again. Light and playful, solid edge on hard pack, nice in the bumps.

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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

Other than if you are racing, the perfect 2 ski quiver for me has one that performs well on groomers, bumps and skied out off piste with another that does well in powder, soft snow, crud and soft bumps.

 


Baldrick, MEfree's comment slices right to the key question for you: Are you doing any kind of racing on these? I am very very close to your size and weight, and I find that FOR ME, a ski that's truly solid and carvy enough to really light up arcs at speed on genuinely hard snow just about always has a tip that's too stiff for really enjoyable bump skiing. I understand that many people - almost invariably significantly bigger people - do not find this to be true, but I do. So, if you are racing, or just want to make fast carving on boilerplate your first priority, I would go for something in the race-carver family like the Dynastar Course Ti that others have mentioned. But if you are not racing and want to privilege slithery bump-ability over grip on ice, then I'd lean more toward a narrowish all-mountain ski that's especially good in what MEfree is calling "groomers, bumps, and skied-out off piste." I haven't demoed anything in the latest crop, but I'm sure someone here can suggest something. My immediate thought, since you say you don't like "that damp feel," would be something like a Watea 78. (I have two skis to fill the the "carving" and "bumps" niches, but I also have a big hole in my quiver where you have your TST, so when you want to sell that pair off, PM me, okay?)

 

post #23 of 24

FWIW......I think the OP did pretty well in defining his wants. He is probably best served if we just answer the question that he asked rather than the question(s) that he didn't ask. Naturally, if he decides to change his mind and settle on a different set of priorities, the answer to his original question would probably be different.

 

SJ

post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks to everyone for all your thoughts and suggestions. Hopefully I can demo a few like the Course Ti and Mag 7.6 in April.at Whistler, where my preferences may be fine tuned by how the TST's go for me - the spectrum of performance may narrow or widen.

 

In the meantime, Y'all have a ripper season up there

 

Baldrick 

 

PS - Qcanoe - re the TST's do I drop off in Maine  (please send air tickets) or do you want to come ski the South Island next August and collect? smile.gif

 

 

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