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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Anyone has significant experience with using threaded inserts for binding swappability?   How are they in terms of durability and just general PITA-ness.   

 

Background:  I am all but set with mounting my new Bones with Jesters, but it looks like I may need a touring option at least a few times this year to get from Squaw to Alpine, and some obligatory spring BC corn tours.  I do have a pair of LegendPros with Dukes and they have been my main ski last season.  

 

My options are:

1. Continue using LPRs as my touring rig and use the new skis as a strictly resort-only ski. LEast hassle but the least convenient option. 

2. Get a Peak15 binding instead of Jesters and combine it with the MFD plates (the most expensive option and the MFD is not yet a proven system). 

3. Try to mount the Jesters and Dukes with threaded inserts and have an option to swap the Jester to a Duke whenever I feel a need for the BC option. 

 

Opinions? 

post #2 of 18

I've been very pleased with the Inserts that www.bindingfreedom.com makes. You know that the guy is right here in Belmont, right? I installed inserts for my Plum Guide bindings in skis last spring. It came in very handy when I took the bindings off to send back to Plum for updates (new toe lever) this fall. There are a number of threads over on TGR about the long-term use/durability. You'll be hard pressed to mess them up. I use loctite on mine since they mostly just stay on the skis, but as long as you check the screws periodically, loctite isn't necessary.

 

If you go to bindingfreedom's site, you can print out paper templates to ensure that the Duke and Jester patterns are compatible. My son did the install on my skis with Jon's supervision. I'd feel comfortable having him do it again using the tools jondrums sells. Use good epoxy, measure 2-3 times before drilling, practice on a 2x4 first, and let them cure completely and you shouldn't have any problems.

 

Some threads on the subject over on TGR:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/215852-Review-Binding-Freedom-Inserts-The-Swiss-Cheese-Experiment

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/228972-A-Binding-Freedom-insert-installation

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/213260-THREADED-INSERTS-new-installation-method-from-Binding-Freedom

 

 

I think I read that there's a shop either in the area or in Tahoe that's going to be doing bf inserts for customers. You might email jondrums about that.

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks, I will try to get in touch with Jon.  Having a local guy is nice.  Did I understand right that he recommends putting in inserts AFTER you install bindings normal way to have exact locations for the holes from the mounting jig?  Then I can procrastinate with the decision until a bit later in the season.  

 


Edited by alexzn - 11/23/11 at 2:30pm
post #4 of 18

Sort of. As I understand it, he suggests you could install the bindings normally, then remove them and tap the holes for the inserts. But I think he's talking about drilling the holes and putting the screws in without gluing them in (which you would do if you were installing and using the bindings). I'd email/PM him and ask what he thinks of installing the bindings for a period of time, then removing them and epoxying in the inserts. I can give you his email if you don't have an account on TGR that allows you to send PMs. Or it is probably listed on his web site. Son of Sinecure would probably do the install for you if you bought the install kit and asked nicely (and gave him a little gas money).

post #5 of 18

hey guys-

 

I like to have the bindings mounted up normally first because it is really hard to repair a ski with inserts in the wrong place. Its kind of like an extended "measure twice" method.  The holes make it easier to get the insert holes in exactly the right place.  

 

So, yeah - go ahead and mount up your skis normally and ski them as much as you want.  When you have the time and you feel the need, you can always pull them off and install the inserts.

post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 

Jon-  Thanks for clarification.  Looks like you are right here in my neck of the woods (I'm in San Carlos).  

 

 

Sinecure- Thanks for the feedback, and suggestions I'd probably need to see how what the Squaw-Alpine landbridge situation will end up as the season progresses, and then make a call on the inserts.  I think I know my way around the drill, but I still may end up asking your son nicely ;-)
 

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Originally Posted by jondrums View Post

hey guys-

 

I like to have the bindings mounted up normally first because it is really hard to repair a ski with inserts in the wrong place. Its kind of like an extended "measure twice" method.  The holes make it easier to get the insert holes in exactly the right place.  

 

So, yeah - go ahead and mount up your skis normally and ski them as much as you want.  When you have the time and you feel the need, you can always pull them off and install the inserts.



 

post #7 of 18

Option 1

 

 

Jesters? how come?

post #8 of 18

Personally I'd throw the Peaks on the MFD plates - I really think that's the best of both worlds right now.  I don't have any personal experience yet with the new plates, but all reports have been positive so far.

 

Money, shmoney - you only live once and you can't take it with you.wink.gif

post #9 of 18

Why not just skis the Dukes as an everyday binding?

 

The quiver killers IMO are not an ideal option they pull out when ever you take the machine screws out.....

post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

Why not just skis the Dukes as an everyday binding?

 

The quiver killers IMO are not an ideal option they pull out when ever you take the machine screws out.....



Dukes are heavy and can get sloppy after a lot of use. That said, I have them as an everyday binding on one set of skis.

 

The inserts jondrums sells (www.bindingfreedom.com) don't pull out if they're installed correctly. Mine haven't budged since I put them in last season. I just unmounted and re-mounted my Plum bindings with no issues. I used blue loctite in the inserts as well (slow cure epoxy holds my inserts into the skis).

 

Based on a conversation I had with jondrums last night, it sounds like we might see a DynaMark plate at some point (for Dynafit bindings plus Marker Jester/Royal series bindings to swap back and forth). The new Jesters (except the Pro version) and Griffons have the ramped, moving AFD that last year was only on Duke/Baron/Tour and Squire. As such, they accommodate AT soled boots much better than other alpine bindings out there.

 

 

post #11 of 18

is there a tap for the inserts, correct diameter and pitch and thread? anyone know what the tap is?

post #12 of 18

I'm debating over this sort of situation right now too and I think I may just go with an MFD plate and then leave the thing on there even when I'm at the resort.  Feeling pretty good about the early MFD reviews so far, especially that crazy breakdown over at Blister where he busted out autocad in his analysis!

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

is there a tap for the inserts, correct diameter and pitch and thread? anyone know what the tap is?



Look here...

 

http://www.bindingfreedom.com/Supplies_c4.htm

 

post #14 of 18
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Look here...

 

http://www.bindingfreedom.com/Supplies_c4.htm

 


And be sure to ask them for their new tap handle setup. He is just about to start putting them together. It works great and makes it clean and easy. I watched jondrums using it last night on a few pair of skis.

 

JayT, are you sure about the MFD thing? It is expensive, heavy and huge. I'd get Dynaduke, Dynalook or Sollyfit plates before I'd go the MFD route. Or do inserts for two sets of binders.

 

post #15 of 18

No, I'm definitely not sure about it.  I may just do a marker duke also or if I really want to buy extra boots I could go dynafit I suppose.  I don't need to figure it out until next spring, most likely.
 

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Originally Posted by Sinecure View Post

JayT, are you sure about the MFD thing? It is expensive, heavy and huge. I'd get Dynaduke, Dynalook or Sollyfit plates before I'd go the MFD route. Or do inserts for two sets of binders.

 



 

post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

  I don't need to figure it out until next spring, most likely.
 



By then all kinds of stuff will be on sale. Revisit the issue then.

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
Jesters? how come?


Was able to score them for a much better price than Pivots.  All things equal, I would probably have put Pivots on, but I am more and more binding-agnostic these days.  I was also VERY impressed with Tyrolia 15 build, so I will keep an eye on a good deal on those in the future.  

 

post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

Why not just skis the Dukes as an everyday binding?.


I did just that last year and had really no issues with it.  Maybe the Jester will feel better, but I doubt it.   So far I never needed the touring option at the resort, so having a separate touring setup makes sense. This year the merger may (or may not) change things, so it is probably a wait and see at this point. 

 

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