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2012 Rossignol Experience 88 or 2011 K2 A.M.P. Charger?

post #1 of 19
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Last season I became very obsessed with skiing after a few years off and decided this season I'm going to buy some new gear again and try to maximize my skiing this winter. I'm trying to decide between these two skis. The price difference will be about $200-$250 with the 2012 Rossis being more expensive. I will ski mostly in VT and NH, with the occasional trip to the Rockies, west coast, or Canada in future years. I'm 6'2", 165 lbs, advanced. I will almost always go for blacks over blues if I come to that fork in the trail. I mostly love to go fast with GS turns, but enjoy being able to turn quick and short if I find myself suddenly getting into something unexpected. I do not care at all about moguls.

 

I've been really focused on the Rossignol Experience 88s based on the reviews, which seems to indicate almost unanimously that they are great on any kind of snow. I admit that 88mm under foot sounds pretty wide to me (not having shopped for skis in a number of years...), but everything I've been able to read about them says they perform great on groomed and hard conditions, not just powder.

 

The K2 Chargers came to my attention a few days ago, and they seem pretty great too. All fo the reviews I've been able to find have great things to say. obviously they are much narrower under foot compared to the Rossi skis, but I'll mostly be on east coast mountains, so this probably isn't a problem (maybe it's a good thing).

 

So, here I am. My head is in that impulsive, hyped up, excited state, which isn't great for decision making.  Have I been bamboozled by the reviews of the Rossignol Experience 88s? Are they not the unbeatable one-quiver ski that people say it is? Are the K2s a much more rational choice (even if I'm less excited about them?). Is there a third choice that I should feel dumb for not considering? 

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

post #2 of 19

Consider joining Peter Keelty's site: RealSkiers.org.

 

He does unbiased ski reviews that are truly blind.

No company $$$ making it easier to review the skis better.

 

It's $20/yr and you can access past years reviews to pick up bargains on EBay, sales , etc.

 

Definitely worth the  small amount of investment.

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THAT makes a huge difference in deciding if the ski is for you.

 

L.

post #3 of 19

WIth the E88, it really depends on how fast you like to ski. If you're more into turning and turning frequently, the E88 by many respected accounts should work well. A number of folks out this way (PNW) seem to like the E88, but after sampling the stability and power of the E98 went with the latter. I'd think the E88 at your size, weight, and location would make a nice ski that would cover a range of conditions and be much better that whatever you're on at the moment. Be careful not to ski either too long, particularly the 98. When you go out west, take the opportunity to demo some wider skis if you arrive in the middle of a storm cycle. I know nothing about the K2's, and for my own reasons that certainly don't have to be anyone else's, won't ski anything made in China. I'm sure there are many third choices. Look at some of the Head and Blizzard offerings. (Head Titan, iGS, Blizzard Magnum series, etc...)

 

What are you doing for boots?

 

(I'm not a ski tester and don't play one on TV, but I do think the E98 is a powerful, precise, and very stable ski that likes speed. Of the skis I have available and if I were going for a trip out east, they'd be the ones I'd take.)

post #4 of 19
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Thanks for the input. I picked up a pair of Tecnica Phoenix Max 8 boots. I couldn't afford higher end boots at the time, and they fit my foot the best of any I tried. I'll probably upgrade in the coming years. I don't mind upgrading boots as much as I mind upgrading skis going forward. 

 

The Rossi E98 were on my radar at first but I think all that width would be a bit overkill for most of what I'll be skiing on. That's why I started looking at the E88 instead, and quickly found that it seems to be universally loved. 

 

Im trying to get more excited about the K2s as the money save can be spend on poles and gloves, which I should probably be picking up too. 

 

Any other opinions put there?

post #5 of 19

If you're as cheap as I am and the price difference is really killing you, and you're set on a 16M ski, then have you considered the Fischer Watea 84? STP has it for about 350 today with coupon. (I'm always on the lookout for a deal but my equipment budget for the season is almost maxed out, so hopefully this can help someone out). PM me if you need a coupon code.

post #6 of 19
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Thanks for the tip aschick.  I've only looked at the Fischer Wateas casually, never really getting too excited about them.  I know some people really like them a lot, but I've also seen some reviews which don't seem as whole-heartedly won over as the reviews for some of the other skis I'm interested in. Now, if that price includes bindings it may be a different story...

post #7 of 19

Gloves:  http://www.kincoworkgloves.com/?gclid=CIuL6NOHy6wCFQlrhwodQ3cROw    Lot's of comments on epicski about them.

 

Poles: Do you have any second hand shops in your area? Neighbors with unused ski gear? Any epicski folks nearby you can strike up a deal with? If saving here gets you the skis you want, then you're there. Nice poles are great if you can budget them, but it's not the piece of gear to sweat to much about.

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

 

haha! markojp, Thanks for the recommendations and effort to let me get the gear I really want =)

 

My comment about the poles and gloves is really more to represent all the smaller accessory stuff I'll need to pick up as the season ramps up. All those little things add up.

 

I guess the real thing I'm dealing with is a question of rationality.  I'm mainly considering two ski models, each highly rated and regarded. The rational choice is of course to purchase the cheaper ones, shut up, and have fun skiing. Bit since when is skiing about rationality? Is the $250 difference really going to matter that much 4 seasons from now? On the other hand, is the Rossi even really any better than the K2? Maybe I'd be paying more for a worse ski! 

 

In the end, unless someone comes in here ans says "THOSE K2s ARE SO MUCH AWESOMER AND YOU'D BE AN IDIOT TO NOT BUY THEM!" I'll probably end up going with the Rossignols in the spirit of just eliminating any future remorse. I think that's really what you're recommending anyway. Get the gear you really want and you won't have that nagging feeling forever. I can save money somewhere else in my life =)

 

Anyway, feel free to keep commenting. I wont be buying anything until after turkey day. I apologize to everyone for my indecisive rambling... I've just been thinking wayyyy to much about skiing and dont have anyone to talk about it with where I live. =)

post #9 of 19

Will prices be going up right after Thanksgiving? Can't say where you are but here they're stable once the season starts. If there's no downside to waiting, think demo, demo, demo. You might want to consider the Blizzard Magnum 8.1, a great hard snow carver. Or try their Magnum 8.7 / Bushwacker / Bonafide if you want versatility for western trips without sacrificing hard snow performance too much. So many skis, so little time...

 

 

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I'm trying to get more excited about the K2s as the money save can be spend on poles and gloves, which I should probably be picking up too

I absolutely suggest you ski with both.

post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by gibs View Post

Thanks for the input. I picked up a pair of Tecnica Phoenix Max 8 boots. I couldn't afford higher end boots at the time, and they fit my foot the best of any I tried. I'll probably upgrade in the coming years. I don't mind upgrading boots as much as I mind upgrading skis going forward. 

 

The Rossi E98 were on my radar at first but I think all that width would be a bit overkill for most of what I'll be skiing on. That's why I started looking at the E88 instead, and quickly found that it seems to be universally loved. 

 

Im trying to get more excited about the K2s as the money save can be spend on poles and gloves, which I should probably be picking up too. 

 

Any other opinions put there?



You have your priorities backwards here. You date your skis, you marry your boots. Invest more in a better boot and plan in upgrading your skis more often. 

 

Back to the skis. why are you are comparing a narrow soft carver with a wider all mountain cruiser? If you want the bastard child of these two skis, get the Rossi 76 Basalt. But seriously, upgrade the boots any maybe find a leftover ski from last year. 

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

Philpug,

 

What I meant is, I already know I'll be upgrading my boots in a season or two. But since I already own a set of new boots that fit well, I won't be buying a new set right now. On the other hand, I do not own any skis right now, so If I'm going to buy a pair, I want them to be skis that I'll be happy with for a while.(Otherwise I'll be buying new boots AND skis in the next season or two...)

 

 =)

 

EDIT: Forgot to add...

The reason I'm asking about these two particular skis is because they are the two I've found myself most interested after a few weeks of browsing around. I realize they are not quite the same ski, but each of them has qualities I can get along with.

 

Thanks everyone for conversing with me about this, but I can see that I'm probably going to remain indecisive and annoying to everyone if this thread goes any further. I just need to suck it up and go with something. You guys are great, as is the forum in general. 

 

Cheers!


Edited by gibs - 11/23/11 at 9:20am
post #12 of 19
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Just to finish off the thread, in case anyone cares to know how this ended up...

 

I just went to a shop not too far from home which I had never been to before. They are the only one in the area that carries Rossignol (except big name stores like REI and EMS). I spoke with the guy there for a while and he thought that the E88 really is as great of a ski as I'd been hearing. He had demoed it a couple of times last year because he liked it so much. I ended up getting a pair with bindings for about $100 less than I had seen online.

 

I got the Axium 110 bindings instead of the Axium 120 bindings you'd usually see paired with this ski online. They were a little cheaper, and I don't need the higher DIN settings that the 120 offers. Both the bindings and the skis were discounted because I bought them packaged (something like an $80 value), and there's no charge for mounting. On top of that, I also got a free ski pass to Cranmore up in NH because of a Rossignol promotion. In the end, I figure I spent a chunk less than I thought I'd have to, which I'm glad about.

 

Now I just need the temperature to drop about 40deg so we can get some snow use them on.

 

post #13 of 19

...sounds good, please post a follow up after you've logged some vert on 'em, they're included on my short list.

post #14 of 19

And now you can get your poles and gloves!

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by gibs View Post

Just to finish off the thread, in case anyone cares to know how this ended up...

 

I just went to a shop not too far from home which I had never been to before. They are the only one in the area that carries Rossignol (except big name stores like REI and EMS). I spoke with the guy there for a while and he thought that the E88 really is as great of a ski as I'd been hearing. He had demoed it a couple of times last year because he liked it so much. I ended up getting a pair with bindings for about $100 less than I had seen online.

 

I got the Axium 110 bindings instead of the Axium 120 bindings you'd usually see paired with this ski online. They were a little cheaper, and I don't need the higher DIN settings that the 120 offers. Both the bindings and the skis were discounted because I bought them packaged (something like an $80 value), and there's no charge for mounting. On top of that, I also got a free ski pass to Cranmore up in NH because of a Rossignol promotion. In the end, I figure I spent a chunk less than I thought I'd have to, which I'm glad about.

 

Now I just need the temperature to drop about 40deg so we can get some snow use them on.

 




Regarding binding choice.  Are you a teenager or a woman?

post #16 of 19
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Regarding binding choice.  Are you a teenager or a woman?


6'2", 165... probably not a woman unless she's a volley ball spiking machine. Have to agree that the downgrade in binding is more penny wise and pounds foolish.

 

post #17 of 19
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Hmm..  Maybe I'm missing something with the binding choice. I don't foresee any issues, but maybe I'm being ignorant about something. If so, please enlighten me.

 

I'm an almost 30 year old male. 

 

According to dinsetting.com, if I gained 50lbs and became even more aggressive (moved from a 3 to a 3+), I'd still only be at a DIN of 10. I've weighed between 160 and 165 for 10 years and don't see that changing any time soon (combination of genes and lifestyle). Unfortunately I don't ski enough to move from a 3 to a 3+. I'm also sure I won't be growing 3 inches in case you want to factor that in too. 

 

Like I said, I very well may be missing something. I've checked with other DIN charts and they agree with the website I mentioned above, so I don't think the site is untrustworthy.

post #18 of 19

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll be fine. After looking at the Axiums in the shop a couple weeks back, it seemed like they were much more lightly constructed than the Axials. But if the axiums work with your DIN needs and get you in on budget, I don't think Rossi/Look would market any binding that wouldn't perform to DIN standard. The liability would be intolerable for any manufacturer.

post #19 of 19

gibs,

 

I did the exact same as you this year when looking into upgrading my skis! I considered a number of different manufacturers, including K2 and Rossignol. I spent months checking out online reviews, and visiting different shops, asking all the pertinent questions. I am no expert skier, but can tackle most mountain slopes outside of doing a verticle face you see on TV. I am 41, 230lbs, 6'2", and just can't ski enough to satisfy my hunger for the sport...

 

Anyway, I did purchase the Rossi Experience 88's based upon it's consistent high praise in reviews. I got the Axium 120 bindings on a ski length of 178, with a DIN seting of 8.  I have taken 3 ski trips thus far into 2012, and these things live up to their hype! From hard pack, to ice, slush, crud, and smooth groomed runs, they were simply awesome and begged you to push them harder as I could consistently reach 50+ mph on some short hills at a New York Ski Resort. (using the GPS-based Ski Tracks App). Sadly, there hasn't been enough snow yet to test them off-piste, in the glades, or in powder, but I'm sure they will support all previous claims and reviews!

 

Bottom Line: A very stable carving ski that dares you to test its ability anywhere on the mountain...

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