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Volkl AC 30

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

I'm 5'9, 175 Lbs. I have a fairly athletic constitution.

Thinking about buying the a pair of VOLKL AC 30's, 2011 edition., 170 cm's long.

 

Most of my skiing is done on piste, groomed snow. I'd like to start experimenting with off-piste skiing in the future.

I've been skiing for 5 years now. Somewhere around 20-30 days a years.

My approach to skiing is a more aggressive one.

 

I own a pair of Salomon Impact 8 fitted boots which I find a bit stiff. Previously I has a pair of a Nordica Speedmachine 8.

My previous skis were a Salomon X-wing 160cms and an Atomic SX 11 170cms which I found a bit to heavy.

 

The hardest part for me is evaluating my own level. I know what a beginner is, we are were one at some point. Intermediate is also clear. But the border between intermediate, advanced and expert is a mistery for me :)

 

Here is a small video of me, about 2 years ago (skiing on the sx 11's). Do you think that the VOLKLs will fit me, or should I look for something else?

 

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=158512134190403&set=t.100000948526461&type=3&theater

 

(Don't worry, it's a public facebook video, don't have it elsewhere sorry)

 

Thanks in advance,

Robert

 

post #2 of 21

I think you should demo some skis if at all possible.  You are clearly at least intermediate, if not better, but it's hard to ascertain from the short, small clip.  The AC 30's might fit your skills and style, but they are one of the more controversial skis on this board: some find them outstanding, others.... not so much.  Without doubt, however, they are definitely last-generation design with a pretty stiff, reasonably narrow, and cambered profile.  If you're a really traditional skier on hard snow, this is not necessarily a bad thing, but it may not be your thing.

 

In the past two or three years, skis have gotten wider, and most have come to include rocker (lifted tip and sometimes tail) even in hard-snow skis (including the Volkl RTM 80/84, the update of the AC30/50).  This has made them more off-piste, ungroomed friendly, and less technically demanding. 

You need to try some skis and feel what you want, dependent on your skill, your usual ski conditions, and your style.  In the east, for example, I tend to ski hard piste; being a more traditional skier, I ski a Dynastar 4x4, a ski that's kind of in the same class as the AC30.  But out west, I ski more ungroomed and fresh, so I ski a 90mm, slightly rockered Volkl Bridge.

 

Personally, I suspect you will like a more versatile, more modern ski -- especially if you are really going off piste.  You might look at the Volkl Bridge, Blizzard Bushwacker, or Scott Crusade, among many others.  But we here on the interweb can only advise you as to general categories and then repeat our personal prejudices.  You need to have a wider base of experience so you can fit those suggestions into a coherent recommendation.  There is no one "best" ski -- only the best ski for you.

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your reply.

Unfortunately I don't really have the chance to demo skis.

Concerning off-piste skiing, I have little experience, tried it only a few times.

I will keep my skiing mostly on groomed, hard snow for now but with the option of having a ski that will perform decently on my occasional off-piste adventures.

So my aim is to buy a ski that is a bit above my level and that will help me advance with my skiing as much as possible, while still keeping it fun.

 

post #4 of 21

Ok....options.
1.  Again, I still say demo.  Why not rent some skis from the base lodge shop when you go next time?  Not rental skis, but demos from the shop.  Almost every mountain I've been to has one.  Sure it'll cost you something, but isn't this better than buying a ski blind?

 

2.  Answer some questions: where do you ski?  Do you like a damp ski or a lively one?  So you like short radius turns or long ones?  If given a choice, are you more interested in developing strong carving skills or exploring ungroomed terrain?  If you gave some of this info, we might offer a few smarter options.

 

3.  Buy the AC 30.  It sort of fits your desires.  If you never ski anything else, you'll like it OK because it's what you have.  It should be cheap since it's no longer made/sold.  WIll it be better than your Atomic SX 11's?  Yes, but not hugely so; they're simply an update of that ski idea essentially.  But maybe you will feel they're better. 

 

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

1. It would be good if I could demo, but the ski rentals around here don't offer much new skis. So demoing will not really be an option.

 

2. I ski in Europe, 90% of the time on groomed snow.

I like a lively ski, mostly short/medium radius fast paced turns.

My aim is to improve my carving skills as much as possible, because mainly that's what I do.

Off-piste is an option I would like to have for now, not really a requirement.

 

3. I found the SX-11 a tad too heavy for my skills. Also they are worn out (got them for cheap from a friend). I enjoyed the ski on well groomed red slopes. But as soon as conditions got worst it started to give me a harder time.

 

Thanks again for your input.

post #6 of 21

First let me say, I have a pair of AC30's in a 170 and love them!  I am a higher level skier than you, but I find the AC30 to be lively yet fairly forgiving ski if a tad stiff, but that is ok when you are primarily skiing firmer snow like you have in Europe and I have in the Eastern US,

 

For me, the AC30's have plenty of energy and will do just about any length of turn if you have the skills to turn them.  Bumps are a little bit of work (aren't they with any ski?), but they do work  Firm snow and hard pack they rip.  Small amounts of broken snow on top of groomed they rip.  5-6 inches of powder on top of groomed they rip  Off piste, as long as the snow isn't deeper than 6 inches or so, you will be fine.  Deeper dumps will leave you wanting something that floats better as it is a sinker, which is the AC30's Achille's Heel.  I decided to buy another wider floatier ski to take with me out west and will continue to rip my AC30 in the east.

 

Good Luck,

 

Rick G

post #7 of 21

80/20 Piste/Off Piste -- Volkl Tigershark 11ft Powerswitch.   You'll really like them.

100 % Piste -- Volkl Racetiger RC.   You'll obsess over them. 

post #8 of 21

Agree with Vinstant - both Tigershark and Racetiger would work well for you, although I wouldn't go for the Powerswitch version.  Disagree on the Bridge.  Unless you're doing park, Kendo is a much better option, with similar dimensions.

 

Since the Tigershark is discontinued, you can get some really good deals.

 

But as has been said already, it's really a good idea to try as many skis as possible.  It will give you an idea of how much difference there can be, even between skis in the same category.

post #9 of 21

Based on your description of skiing the SX11s, I think the AC 30 would be a good fit for you.

 

Tigersharks might be a littler better, but you will like the AC30s.  The Völkl AC30s are  a little more playful, and easier to get along with when not skiing full throttle, at the expense of some high speed stability and high performance.  

 

post #10 of 21

I also have a pair of Volkl Racetiger RC (173) and have skied the Tigersharks and both are fine skis for on piste and groomed skiing only.  The OP stated that he wants to start exploring off piste a little bit and for that the AC30 would be a good choice.  The Tigershark would be better than the RC to start some off piste exploring but the AC30 would be better yet.

 

Again, good luck,

 

Rick G

post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for their input, it's much appreciated.

I'll try to get a good deal on tigersharks since the diffrence of the sidecut seems to be 1-2 mm-s.

 

post #12 of 21

2011 AC30's?  Whaaaat

 

Weren't the last AC30's made in FL10 (fall of 2010 for those non-industry folk among us) then Volkl switched to the RTM.  Besides that though AC and Tigersharks are both fantastic skis.  

post #13 of 21

I demo'ed the AC30 a couple of seasons ago and really liked them.  I'm 5'9" and 170#.

post #14 of 21

I'm very happy with my AC30s in 177cm -- my one-ski quiver all last season and, presumably, this coming season. Any shortcomings are my own and not the skis'.

RaceDude is correct that the last model is 2010-2011. Mine are 2009-2010 (identical except for topsheet).

Hard to find at a good price (<$600) in the size you want.

 

post #15 of 21

We just sold the last pair we had at our shop for $575.  That guy got a great deal!  You might want to call around I am sure there are still some to be found.  For some reason, the AC30 did not sell as well during its last model run in 10-11 (black design) as it did during it's first two years (grey design).  These were the new version of the AC30 with 80 under foot and the new wide ride binding system and they sold out fairly early in the season.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G


Edited by rickg - 11/23/11 at 6:59am
post #16 of 21

If anyone does happen to be looking for the 2011 AC30, we currently have decent inventory in most sizes and are running a 15% off sale putting them at $611.15 with free shipping (lower 48) and free mounting.  The 15% off is shown once the item has been added to a shopping cart.

 

post #17 of 21

That is a great deal!  icon14.gif

 

If the OP goes for it, he will not be dissapointed.

 

Rick G

post #18 of 21

I have skiied on the AC30 for 3 years (actually the AC3 back then, but the same ski, I think).  I am an advanced level skier, 190 lbs. 5'9", almost 60 but very fit.  Almost nothing is too steep and I even do some semi extreme.  When I rip on groomers I go very fast.  The AC30 has been every bit of what I want for skiing the east.  They will not give out on you and they grip hard pack like a demon possesd.  They are hard work in the bumps because they are so stiff.  When the snow gets at all fluffy, forget it.  These skiis, by thier nature sink like a stone. 

 

When I go west, I don't even bring them.  My other ski is the Rossi S3, another ski heavily reviewed in this forum.  They are fantastic in any snow other than hardpack, even cement, wet corn, you name it.  Fabulous in the bumps.  Some in that review say are are OK for groomers.  Horsepuckey!  They are like water skiis.  You just can't have one ski do both well.  The very thing that makes it good in the fluff, the rocker, the softness, twin tips, makes it suck on groomers if you want to rip.

 

I think you should go for the AC50, which is wider and will have better flotation.  I haven't skied them but quite a few of my friends do and they like 'em.  Still a stiff ski but the extra width helps in variable conditions.  I am starting to thing my AC30's are quite outdated, rediculously skinny, and good only for bullrtproof.  If I was getting a new pair, I would get the 50.

post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by rickg View Post

That is a great deal!  icon14.gif

 

If the OP goes for it, he will not be dissapointed.

 

Rick G



15% off on a discontinued ski is "a great deal"? Really? Kinda think it's a rip-off personally.No surprise that they still have a decent assortment.


 

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Originally Posted by Dougo View Post

 

I think you should go for the AC50, which is wider and will have better flotation.  I haven't skied them but quite a few of my friends do and they like 'em.  Still a stiff ski but the extra width helps in variable conditions.  I am starting to thing my AC30's are quite outdated, rediculously skinny, and good only for bullrtproof.  If I was getting a new pair, I would get the 50.


If the OP is really stuck on groomer versions of Volkl's, AND wants to (really) try off-piste, the AC50 is a FAR better decision (but not near as good as some of the alternatives imo). It's stiff as a board like the AC30, but has some width to deal with manky snow. Better yet, try the threads here about 80 waisted skis to see better alternatives.

 

Anyway, of the AC50 is on the list, Evo.com has them for under $600 (or >40% off).

post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 

I live in Europe. I just ordered a pair from a German shop which had them on sale for 400$ (2010-2011 model, m3).

Cant wait to try them out.

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post



15% off on a discontinued ski is "a great deal"? Really? Kinda think it's a rip-off personally.No surprise that they still have a decent assortment.


 

 

 

$611 including shipping and for most no sales tax for a ski that sold for $900 last season is a pretty good deal.  Especially for a hightly regarded ski.  At least highly regarded by me.

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