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Mt. Hood vs. Jay Peak

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Greenlander started an interesting thread on Mt. Hood recently -- serendipitously, it turns out, because a buddy from Portland just invited us out to ski at Mt. Hood Meadows over Presidents Day week.  We're thinking about it.  The problem: we've already reserved two nights at Jay Peak that week.

 

Comradeship, beer, & hot tub (the sole reasons we're considering Mt. Hood this year) aside, we're on the fence.  From the responses to Greenlander's thread, Mt. Hood is variable in all kinds of ways.  Could be wiped out by rain, the vertical isn't huge -- but the crowds could be.  

 

I want to ski the West (jealous of my wife, who skied there as a child), but I'm not sure Hood in February would fulfill the West-Coast-Skiing-Doesn't-Suck mantra, or that it would be better than Jay in February.

 

Any thoughts?  (Please.)

 

 

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I've skied neither but but Hood has a vertical drop of 2700 and 2300 skiable acres while Jay's drop is 2100 over 350 acres.  It's time to ski a big mountain.

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Mt Hood is always worth the trip.  People ski there year-round so what concerns can there be about snow conditions.  But, it is but one ancient volcano.  There are far better places to ski out west.  My Hood is, however, very easily reached from Portland.  Also a lot warmer than Jay....

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  Also a lot warmer than Jay....


Which has its pluses . . . and its minuses.

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Greenlander started an interesting thread on Mt. Hood recently -- serendipitously, it turns out, because a buddy from Portland just invited us out to ski at Mt. Hood Meadows over Presidents Day week.  We're thinking about it.  The problem: we've already reserved two nights at Jay Peak that week.

 

Comradeship, beer, & hot tub (the sole reasons we're considering Mt. Hood this year) aside, we're on the fence.  From the responses to Greenlander's thread, Mt. Hood is variable in all kinds of ways.  Could be wiped out by rain, the vertical isn't huge -- but the crowds could be.  

 

I want to ski the West (jealous of my wife, who skied there as a child), but I'm not sure Hood in February would fulfill the West-Coast-Skiing-Doesn't-Suck mantra, or that it would be better than Jay in February.

 

Any thoughts?  (Please.)

 

 




Last Feb during president week everywhere in vermont sucked...

 

....but for the other 3 weeks it was the best snow in the entire world, and hood was under a high pressure system. wait till the last minute go where the snow is.

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In an ideal world, I would.

 

(I remember those three weeks.)

post #7 of 27

There's good skiing at both. Meadows is more of a high mountain experience. Jay has the trees. Meadows gets tons of snow but it's warm and wet sometimes. Jay can be butt cold, though it gets a lot of snow too, at least for the East. They're both worth skiing but, in my view, neither is worth a particularly long trip to visit unless you have some other reason to do so (eg, friend has a place nearby, etc.). Thought: why not convince your friend in Portland to go to Bachelor. That would be worth a trip for sure. 

post #8 of 27

Flatchelor? Ho hum cruiser heaven. Snow bowl on the other hand is just down the road, and definitely worth a visit if the snow levels cooperate.

 

If I had the choice I'd opt for Jay solely because I have never skied there, ignoring snow. Taking snow into consideration, Meadows would win if you need to plan ahead. Bespite BWPA's gross assumption that Vermont had "the best snow in the world", you are more likely to encounter snow at Meadows. Meadows gets 50% more snow than Jay, and is far less likely to have the kind of temperature yo-yo that Vermont sees on a regular basis. Meadows is more likely to have a decent base, even if it isn't a perfect snow day. It's also less likely to be icy, or bitterly cold AND icy. Vermont tends to get more of its snow in fewer storms, so it is hit or miss with powder days.

 

This season will be another La Nina. Last season, Meadows got over 600 inches, compared to Jays 344. This year is off to another great start. Meadows has a 40" base and snow And again despite BWPA's assertions, Meadows was not under a high pressure system for 3 weeks in February; while there was almost a 2 week lull, they still got far more snow for the month than anywhere in Vermont did. They've got a 40" base now and more forecast and the winter forecast is wet and cold so the season is looking good.

 

I would love to check out Jay's glades, but the biggest issue I've got with the NE is the variability. Too hit or miss compared to the consistency of the Cascades.

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Quite aside from area A vs. area B, any opportunity to ski with old friends is one not to miss. They become few and far between as years pass and lives take their respective and often divergent paths. Regardless of the terrain/snow/size of the mountain, etc... I've always had a great time skiing with people I like to be with. I've even kept and framed lift tickets from these days. A glance at the wall, and lift conversations, etc... all are fresh again. Could be I'm just getting old and sentimental though.


Edited by markojp - 11/21/11 at 11:04am
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There's good skiing at both. Meadows is more of a high mountain experience. Jay has the trees. Meadows gets tons of snow but it's warm and wet sometimes. Jay can be butt cold, though it gets a lot of snow too, at least for the East. They're both worth skiing but, in my view, neither is worth a particularly long trip to visit unless you have some other reason to do so (eg, friend has a place nearby, etc.). Thought: why not convince your friend in Portland to go to Bachelor. That would be worth a trip for sure. 


We've got a reservation for two nights at Jay -- not long -- it's close and inexpensive.   Our friend has a house near Meadows.  Warm & wet . . . hm.    Cold can mean good snow (and extra sweaters), so I don't worry about cold.  Ice is no good, obviously, but we live here . . .  so ice?  Whataboutit?  

 



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Flatchelor? Ho hum cruiser heaven. Snow bowl on the other hand is just down the road, and definitely worth a visit if the snow levels cooperate.

 

If I had the choice I'd opt for Jay solely because I have never skied there, ignoring snow. Taking snow into consideration, Meadows would win if you need to plan ahead. Bespite BWPA's gross assumption that Vermont had "the best snow in the world", you are more likely to encounter snow at Meadows. Meadows gets 50% more snow than Jay, and is far less likely to have the kind of temperature yo-yo that Vermont sees on a regular basis. Meadows is more likely to have a decent base, even if it isn't a perfect snow day. It's also less likely to be icy, or bitterly cold AND icy. Vermont tends to get more of its snow in fewer storms, so it is hit or miss with powder days.

 

This season will be another La Nina. Last season, Meadows got over 600 inches, compared to Jays 344. This year is off to another great start. Meadows has a 40" base and snow And again despite BWPA's assertions, Meadows was not under a high pressure system for 3 weeks in February; while there was almost a 2 week lull, they still got far more snow for the month than anywhere in Vermont did. They've got a 40" base now and more forecast and the winter forecast is wet and cold so the season is looking good.

 

I would love to check out Jay's glades, but the biggest issue I've got with the NE is the variability. Too hit or miss compared to the consistency of the Cascades.


Yeah, hit or miss, it's true.  Last year it was great most of the time, but that's rare.  People say Oregon is hit or miss, though, compared to Colorado or Utah.  What's February generally like in the Cascades?  Consistently good?


 

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Quite aside from area A vs. area B, any opportunity to ski with old friends is one not to miss. They become few and far between as years pass and lives take their respective and often divergent paths. Regardless of the terrain/snow/size of the mountain, etc... I've always had a great time skiing with people I like to be with. I've even kept and framed lift tickets from these days. A glance at the wall, and lift conversations, etc... all are fresh again. Could be I'm just getting old and sentimental though.


Good point. 

 

Lots of great advice, leaning toward Hood.  Thanks for the feedback.  We have some thinking to do, I guess.

 

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 What's February generally like in the Cascades?  Consistently good?

Yes, as consistent as it gets.  The Cascades tend to have better skiing weather in February and March than other times, particularly in La Nina years.

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BUT JAY HAS A NEW WATERPARK THIS YEAR.... STANDING SURF WAVES, INVERTED LOOP-D-LOOP SLIDES, AND A LAZEY RIVER!

 

Seriously... I ski jay all year and I say... Go to Hood... 

 

Jay might have the best pow that time of year but honestly skiing a volcano is way more memorable then an east coast mountain... no matter where the pow pow is. 

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BUT JAY HAS A NEW WATERPARK THIS YEAR.... STANDING SURF WAVES, INVERTED LOOP-D-LOOP SLIDES, AND A LAZEY RIVER!

 

Seriously... I ski jay all year and I say... Go to Hood... 

 

Jay might have the best pow that time of year but honestly skiing a volcano is way more memorable then an east coast mountain... no matter where the pow pow is. 



 Good thing Jay upgraded and built a water park.  Because if there's anything that the tundra of Northern VT needs, its a damned land locked water park..... It would be nicer to see then clear some trees out and expand the mountain instead.

 

Oh wait that would make too much sense

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People say Oregon is hit or miss, though, compared to Colorado or Utah.


Oregon is indeed hit or miss, so is Vermont, so is CO, UT, etc.  If you're planning months out, *everywhere* is hit or miss.

post #16 of 27

I was at Jay during the, perhaps, worst February week of the East Coast season.

 

Here's my Jay TR: http://www.epicski.com/t/101721/jay-peak-feb-20-23

 

Here's my Tremblant TR for the 3 days following the 4-day Jay trip: http://www.epicski.com/t/101924/tremblant-feb-24-26-salomon-demo-day-w-pics

 

Looking back months later, in retrospect, Tremblant was awful compared to Jay. I have fond memories of Jay, screeching sounds and a bad image in my head of Tremblant. My pal down south at Stratton was complaining a lot as well of ice. And I was having a kick ass time in Jay.

 

Consensus: Jay's conditions might feel boasted to some, but damn it was heads above every other mountain. It was some absolutely tremendous skiing and a real skier's mountain if you can brace the cold.

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Ok, ok.  Now to figure out the cash.  (Reality . . . really sucks.)

post #18 of 27

IF you have never been to the west coast then I suggest you go for it bro... you'll have a great time...there's nothing like skiing a bowl full of powder..or anything full of powder..

 

But if you are trying to compare Jay to West coast.. The only thing that I can say is that there is NO west coast mountain that I've skied that can compare to Jay trees...sorry west coast...but from what i've seen you simply can't hang...   ( This includes every resort in and aroud lake Tahoe, Jackson hole, big sky, Moonlight..list to keep growing every year...adding whistler this year :) )

 

I love the west coast, and I think 80% of the skiing is wayyy better in the west 90% of the time.. But....Jay, Sugar, and Stowe ...have better trees than any reasort I've been to out west..100% of the time.....

 

I'm not saying there aren't great glades in the west..but they are not like vermont....

 

But I've never been to Mt. Hood so I'm not adding anything to this convo..I'm just bored.. lol

post #19 of 27

February and March were consistently cold in here and probably the snowiest with April joining them 2008 and 2010 (stats of the last 4 years).Pineapple express arrived Dec/Jan, after that the temperatures are hanging consistently below 32.

 

If you have the place to crash on Hood you pretty much have it all figured: blue bird - go Meadows, blows - go Ski Bowl. Want some piece of history - Timberline lodge is the place to visit. Meadows skiing is pretty cool, terrain has a lots of variety and you will enjoy whatever you'll pick. Lift lines might be long on weekends. We have 40'' of base now, opening day and black Friday were powder skiing.

 

Cheers,

 

Vlad

 

 

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skiing a volcano

A frickin' vol-cano...

dr-evil.jpg
 

 

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I've lived and skied near volcanos all my life and always wanted to ski one.  After I did it I decided that while beautiful and mystical, they're generally boring to ski.  Usually the slopes aren't very steep and they tend to have the same pitch with little variation.  I once asked a local at Mt. Bachelor what the difference was between blue and black runs because I couldn't determine any, and he told me that he figured that the sign painters ran out of blue paint, so they used black to finish up.

 

I don't intend this to trash anyplace, but the OP should have as much info as possible before making a decision.

post #22 of 27

We live at the base of Mt. Hood.  We are Meadows pass holders for a long time.  My wife and I and another couple are retired and have been skiers for decades.  We travel to ski all over the West and Canada.  I believe we have visited close to 50 resorts.  The number one resort is Whistler.  If you can't find steep there then go to Taos.  The best ski resort is when the snow is great no matter where that may be.  Meadows is worth a visit but not on Presidents Day. 

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I've lived and skied near volcanos all my life and always wanted to ski one.  After I did it I decided that while beautiful and mystical, they're generally boring to ski.  Usually the slopes aren't very steep and they tend to have the same pitch with little variation.  I once asked a local at Mt. Bachelor what the difference was between blue and black runs because I couldn't determine any, and he told me that he figured that the sign painters ran out of blue paint, so they used black to finish up.

 

I don't intend this to trash anyplace, but the OP should have as much info as possible before making a decision.

 

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We live at the base of Mt. Hood.  We are Meadows pass holders for a long time.  My wife and I and another couple are retired and have been skiers for decades.  We travel to ski all over the West and Canada.  I believe we have visited close to 50 resorts.  The number one resort is Whistler.  If you can't find steep there then go to Taos.  The best ski resort is when the snow is great no matter where that may be.  Meadows is worth a visit but not on Presidents Day. 


Ok.  Well.  Hm.  

 

I was almost entirely convinced, found a great Alaska Airlines deal -- direct flight from Boston and everything -- now it's back on the fence. 

 

But isn't that sort of the Epic thing?  A zillion opinions working both sides of the fence?   At least a person get lots of information, as opposed to practically nothing.  

 

I think we're going to flip a coin.

 

Thanks!

 

post #24 of 27

Well, if you get tired of Hood, just up the road there's this:

 

http://www.powdermag.com/videos/nimbus-independent-en-route-cascadia/

 

If there were a way to meld Crystal and Hood together, you'd have an amazing place for just about any skier.

 

post #25 of 27

LA NINA = PNW will get pounded this year

post #26 of 27

Soooo... How did this one end? Jay Peak or Mt Hood?

 

President's day was a mad house but mostly on the driving/parking side of things.

 

Funny thing was yesterday: 8:20am - main lot is full. Long lines at 9am. Decided to ski with the young one until 11am since she needs long stops anyway, at 11 went to the lodge to warm kids (and wife) up and feed them, got back at noon - no lines. Empty... With the start like that traffic through the Gov't camp back to PDX is a living hell, but not yesterday. Interesting. But man what a day... Cold and dry snow, kids were enjoying some mellow runs in the trees and older one went skiing these soft bumps with me... Great day overall

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It ended Jay Peak.  My buddy discovered he was wrong about Portland school vacation -- it doesn't overlap with ours -- so we stuck around the NE.  Jay was great, though -- good snow (for this year), the glades were fun, the deal was fabulous, and the people were nice.  Worth the trip, considering the trashed year here (I've heard the NW has had it better), and there was actual 3D to ski in (on Thursday, anyway), as well as white-out fog up top.  If we're not out west next year, will do Jay again.

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