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Time to replace my old straight skis, what to get?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Ok, some background. I'm 5'9, 180, skill level is about 8, stick mostly to the trails, and like to go fast. I use all turn sizes. Like the bumps. I ski in the Northeast, so ice grip is critical. I've finally decided it's time to replace my aging Rosi 4S K's (size is 203). So, what can you recomend for skis and sizes?

I've done some looking in the magazines and shops, and have actually bought a pair of Atomic 9.20 Beta Races. I'm going to try to demo a pair before actually skiing them, I'd also like to try some others (but it doesn't sound like most demo shops are loaning gear right now) so any suggestions, comments, or thoughts would be great, thanks.
post #2 of 18
Thread Starter 
Wow...5'4 skiing 203's, now that would be something! Of course there was a time when that wouldn't have been completely unheard of.

Thanks for the input. Haven't looked much at the Bandits, thought they were more off piste. Also, haven't heard much about the Salamons, but will definitely give them a try (if the mountains and weather will oblige). Here's hoping for a good season (and an early one).
post #3 of 18
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jyarddog:
Those Atomics should be very nice for you. others perhaps to look at would be ... Bandit XX or XXX .... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For Northeast skiing, the XX would be marginal and the XXX would be unwieldy, to say the least. The Bandit X would be the best choice.

I agree with jyarddog's other suggestions. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #4 of 18
Welcome aboard.

I would think the Atomics you got will do fine too. I ski the X Scream Series in a 187 and have been told I should have gone shorter. I'm 5'8" and 160. Of course I ski in the west mostly so I can't speak for the ice handling but I'm told it's good.

I bow to the knowledge of all those guys that own and try several skis a year. I'm a one ski in the quiver person but that might change this year. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #5 of 18
Those Atomics should be very nice for you. others perhaps to look at would be K2's Axis X Pro, (the two sheets of titanium will keep them stiff on ice.) Bandit XX or XXX, maybe the Salomon X Screm Series ( it says series on it, not X Scream 7,8, or 9.) I am sure there are a number of other ski that would do nicely as well.
For your height,etc I would try the 188's or 190's cm. Someone here has a dandy formula for computing the length of your shaped ski. I used it and came up with 203 cm, and I'm 5.4"!!! : Maybe I did something wrong. Being overweight brought the numbers up, but can you see short, little me driving 203's? it woiuld take me 40 acres to turn those things around! :

I would try the 190's and go from there. Go a little longer and then shorter to see what you like the best. In general, only the shaped ski (mid-fats) are usually skied 10 to 15 cm's shorter than what you would usually use in a standard ski. From there it's up to you as to what you will be doing with them.

BTW- Welcome to the family! Every cotton-pickin' bro and sis here are good people. I'm one of the crazy ones, but I'm feeling much batter now!! Bwahahaha!
Just kidding.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 20, 2001 12:47 AM: Message edited 1 time, by jyarddog ]</font>
post #6 of 18
You might like the Volkl P50 Platinum ski for eastern snow. It's soft enough to be a versatile all mountain ski, but holds an edge like a crampon.

It's built off of a GS ski platform, so stability at speed is definitely there. Probably one of the best all mountain skis i've been on. The narrow profile will make the ski a little less fit on the snow than say an X-scream or other midfat, but the tip and tail have been widened from last season so it should have better performance all over the mountain than last season's P40 Platinum.

post #7 of 18
Gonzo- I mentioned the XX or XXX due to being stiffer. I though this would be better for ice. No? I'm missing something here. Is there something else about the XX or XXX which would make them not a good choice for his area? Let me know because I surely don't want to sell the wrong ski for the worng purpose. I'd have customers coming back with the 'urge to kill' think bubble above their heads! Maybe they have too much side cut?
post #8 of 18
The Volkl Platinum is a great ice ski and has a lot of stability just don't go too long on the new breed.

Be sure to take a/some lessons. I thought I had it wired when I went over to shapes about 5 years ago (Rossi 9s)...... very mild shape. Then I got on a "real" shape and developed some "hooking" problems. The technique is a bit different so save your self the agony (but it is fun to blame it on the skis sometimes) and BS.
post #9 of 18
If your boots are as old as your rosi ,think about boots first.You can not beat the P-50 on boilerplate,the f-1 and the more fogiving platinum.If you want more varity try the G-3 ,it will do better short turns this year since the round and turned up tail will release you out of the turns faster.Most Volkls have a tenacious edge grip.I have used the xscream series(and volkl)at Telluride for surf the rockies( and that is frozen water at 9AM and slush at 2PM most of the time)and had a great time on both,but the volkls have that ice skate quality.As far as length--totaly subjective,in no-shape skiis I used 203 and up,my first shape ski was a dynastar SF in a 197 which to some is long but I still like it ,and I have taken out a 1080 in 176 and still hauled.A188 in the p-50 and 183 &179 in the g-3 (I think thoes are the length within a cent.)I ski at 195 lb and these length I find fun ,but look at the individual construction of the skis,many have anti-vibration systems and torsional ridgity that let you ski short ,like some of Nordicas skis are only 184 at the longest.Some times the only place the longer ski comes ahead is in the flats ,yet a short one you can skate real easy,so make sure you have good boots and try alot of different skis .And if this your first shaped skis,rememer to back of a little -you are about to go from standard steering to power steering. good luck
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks, a lesson is definitely in order. I usually do several each year (mostly privates), but will make that a priority with the new skis. As for my boots, I think they should be OK, they're a little old (6 years?), but I think they'll be all right...Lange X9R's (any thoughts). Here's hoping I can get some turns in next week.
post #11 of 18

I think the problem for the Bandit XXX is the turn radius and lack of edge old on hard pack and ice. Those narrow and icy eastern trails call for much shorter turning skills.

The Bandit XX might be ok. Infact I believe Lars on this board uses them for his everyday ski here out east. But you probably don't want to ski them to long

post #12 of 18
Think about getting some 215's or maybe 225's. I am 5'8" and like my skis prettyshort, I have 203's now.
post #13 of 18
Check out the Fischer Freeride 68.

My Fischer 74's realy edge well on hard snow. I imagine the narrower version would be a good hard snow ski as well yet be more for groomed/on-piste. The construction is very good and high-tech and I found them to be less costly than more marketed well-known brands.

Keelty says:

Even less demanding (than the big stix 74), works well with carving and traditional technique, reasonably quick edge to edge, smooth and reliable. 105/68/90
post #14 of 18
jyarddog --

I think that quite simply, the Bandit XX and XXX are too wide for narrow icy Eastern skiing. They are not very quick edge-to-edge, even if they are relatively quick compared to other skis of similar widths. The Bandit X would be the best model for Eastern skiing because it is narrower in the waist and tail.

Re stiffness, I don't think that's as big a concern as you do. For someone who knows modern technique, longitudinal stiffness isn't a big issue. For Eastern snow, torsional stiffness is the big issue. The Bandit X has plenty of torsional stiffness for eastern skiing.

If the skier in question does big arcs no matter what the slope width or surface type, then the Bandit XX might be better. But for tight, narrow runs with bumps & trees surrounded by ice, the XX is not the best choice. Sure, it will work, but shouldn't the customer get the best tool for the job, rather than one that simply will work?

Also, I believe that Lars skis on the Bandit X, not the XX. Lars, are you out there? Am I correct?
post #15 of 18
jchull said: Think about getting some 215's or maybe 225's. I am 5'8" and like my skis pretty short, I have 203's now.

Is that a joke, or real advice. I hope it is a joke jchull. :


You have lots of good advice from all (OK, almost all [img]smile.gif[/img]), but it would not be complete without someone telling you about short slalom skis. If you have a chance, try them. You may not like them, but when demoing them you may start to see the benefits of skiing shorter lengths. If you go with a mid-fat don't go beyond 180cm. That is plenty for speed, but the real benefit comes in the bumps (which you say you like).

Good luck in your selection.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 21, 2001 11:28 AM: Message edited 1 time, by TomB ]</font>
post #16 of 18
Hi Rodney

For a good all around, ice holding ski, the Atomic 9.20 can't be beat. It can handle most "eastern" snow conditions and is fairly forgiving. It's a ski that most recreational skiers will not overpower. I'm 5'8" and a 170 lb. I've been skiing on a set of 180 cm , 9.20's for the past three years. At times, I wish I had gone down to 170cm length, but fortunately I have other skis in my quiver to fulfill my supercarving cravings.

You really need to ski on them for a while to begin to appreciate their capabilities!
With the 9.20's you can't go wrong!
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys, TomB, I definitely took Jchull's comments as a joke...can't even find skis that length in the stores now. Anyway, I'll give the slalom skis a try (haven't skiied anything that short in a looooooooonnnggg time, and it was taller than me then).

Anyway, the 9.20's are 180's. I'll try to take some short slalom skis out for some turns too. I really do like to stay in the fall line but also like to let them run too, just can't imagine them being stable at speed (of course it seems like the old rules are largely out the door with these new skis).
post #18 of 18
Two skis to consider since you like moguls are the Rossi T-Power Viper X PPS and the Dynastar Autodrive Speed Carve. Both are more oriented towards groomed slopes than off-piste. The 9.20 will be better on ice than the Rossi or Dynastar, but not as good in the moguls. All three skis will have inferior performance in powder & crud compared to a mid-fat, but better performance on groomers especially on hard snow and at higher speeds.
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