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Atomic SL / philosophical discussion about season 2012

post #1 of 10
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Its always difficlut to swap ski brands. Not only is it hard to deside on a new brand but its also hard to let go of the old one. And then you end up thinking what if... I guess the guys at the WC are in the same situation so nothing unique here. Anyway, first let me share with you a video of one of my SL runs last year. It was a very careful run on a flat and smooth slope in perfect racing conditions. It was one of my first competitions on the new 2011 model of the flat deck D2 racing ski. On my second run pushed much harder and was about 2 sec faster. Here:

 

 

Anyway, you guys probably remember our discussions last year conserning the two different varitions of the SL ski, the D2 and the "Flat Deck D2". I whent for the FD D2 because thats what everyone here is using. Funnily enough if you look at Atomics web page under Race FIS you will not find the D2 model at all. The SL skis for adults are without the D2. Still, the stores carry both models. Anybody tested the different varitaions lately? I felt like the FD D2 was very soft.

 

Anybody tuned the bases on their SL skis? If you did, what base bevel did you put on them and how did they change? I suspect there is not much base bevel stock. Any thaughts?

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Anyway, you guys probably remember our discussions last year conserning the two different varitions of the SL ski, the D2 and the "Flat Deck D2". I whent for the FD D2 because thats what everyone here is using. Funnily enough if you look at Atomics web page under Race FIS you will not find the D2 model at all. The SL skis for adults are without the D2. Still, the stores carry both models. Anybody tested the different varitaions lately? I felt like the FD D2 was very soft.

 

 



http://www.atomicsnow.jp/ski/#/products/Overview/a-11-ski-alpine-ski-d2race-sl.html  ???

post #3 of 10

I have 3 thoughts:

 

1) Nice freaking skiing!

2) I like the 0.5 base bevel on SL skis

3) It is tough to switch brands, yet more difficult to question your equiptment.  Sure everyone has a good ski these days, but you have to have confidence in your gear to go out and hammer - good luck!

post #4 of 10

What he said. We're probably all going to continue to change gear, even if it's just new stuff within the manufacturer we've grown comfortable with. Just make the best decision you can and don't look back. Or, as we say in my Masters program whenever the discussion gets too heavy duty, "Just shut up and ski..."

 


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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post

I have 3 thoughts:

 

1) Nice freaking skiing!

2) I like the 0.5 base bevel on SL skis

3) It is tough to switch brands, yet more difficult to question your equiptment.  Sure everyone has a good ski these days, but you have to have confidence in your gear to go out and hammer - good luck!



 

post #5 of 10

http://www.atomicsnow.com/en-US/Products/Alpine/Ski/Fis%20Race/RS_D2_SL_MEN/AA0018220.aspx

 

It's hard to find on the Atomic site.

 

If you go to FIS Men's RS SL (Flat) and then click on comparable products and scroll to the RS D2 Mens'  SL it's there.

 

Very strange!

 

I believe as always, All Atomic race skis have always come from the factory (RACE Stock or Not)  With a 1/3

post #6 of 10
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iriponsnow and skiracer, thanks for the good words. Im giving Atomic a full season this year. Its just that the flat deck skis I bought last year are kind of too soft for me. Remember Im almost 100kg and used to very stiff and rigid Blizzards. Maybe the D2 versions will be a bit better for me. We had a Russian master racer at the same event where the video was taken and he was fast as heck. He was a great racer offcourse but at least the skis had potential. The rep told me that the reason they ski with the D2 is that they dont get the flat deck version. Im close to believing he is talking some minor BS. But who knows. I need to try the D2s out this season. Get a pair of 186cm GS D2s at the same time. Atomicracer, are you back from Head to Atoimic? And thanks for the link.

post #7 of 10

On an Atomic non-FIS GS Race D2. Fantastic ski.

 

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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

iriponsnow and skiracer, thanks for the good words. Im giving Atomic a full season this year. Its just that the flat deck skis I bought last year are kind of too soft for me. Remember Im almost 100kg and used to very stiff and rigid Blizzards. Maybe the D2 versions will be a bit better for me. We had a Russian master racer at the same event where the video was taken and he was fast as heck. He was a great racer offcourse but at least the skis had potential. The rep told me that the reason they ski with the D2 is that they dont get the flat deck version. Im close to believing he is talking some minor BS. But who knows. I need to try the D2s out this season. Get a pair of 186cm GS D2s at the same time. Atomicracer, are you back from Head to Atoimic? And thanks for the link.



 

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On an Atomic non-FIS GS Race D2. Fantastic ski.
 



That is like an 17m soft turny GS ski isnt it? Could you use that for club GS masters races?

 

post #9 of 10

Actually it is not particulalry soft. Just softer then the Fischer or Head non-GS & has better edgeholdand it is 18.4M in a 179 and 19M in a 184. The beauty of the D2 is the tip is flexible and easy to initiate to get the arc started. As the contol deck is engaged it progressively stiffens the harder you push it!

 

The Fisher RC4 Pro and Head i.speed. Were brick stiff throughout the ski. The Atomic was much smoother and has better edgehold!

 

You outweigh me by 35 Lbs.!

 

I am more concerned about torsional stiffness rather than longitudinal stifness. If you can't arc the ski, ya gotta a problem!

post #10 of 10

Yep, I agree.  I'm right around 195, so I'm not a lightweight, either. Torsional stiffness is what counts for me. The only comparison I have in SLs is that I have a pair of (non-D2) SL12s, and the D2 SLs are much easier to bend into a turn, and hold better, too. So TD6, you have to go with what you think is going to work for you.  I've tried Fischer and Blizzard, and they are just way too boardy for me...

 

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Actually it is not particulalry soft. Just softer then the Fischer or Head non-GS & has better edgeholdand it is 18.4M in a 179 and 19M in a 184. The beauty of the D2 is the tip is flexible and easy to initiate to get the arc started. As the contol deck is engaged it progressively stiffens the harder you push it!

 

The Fisher RC4 Pro and Head i.speed. Were brick stiff throughout the ski. The Atomic was much smoother and has better edgehold!

 

You outweigh me by 35 Lbs.!

 

I am more concerned about torsional stiffness rather than longitudinal stifness. If you can't arc the ski, ya gotta a problem!



 

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