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post #31 of 44
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Many thanks for the review. I see you have the sultans in your quiver as I was wondering if you can draw any comparisons to the tst skies tested? At least to how both compare on the groomers and crud? I just picked up the tst skimyself.


Hi,

 

Were you referring to the Sultan 94?  If so, I definitely prefer the Sultan in bumps, and in rough crud. It has a smooth, damp, solid feel. The TST is more playful, and much quicker.  I find that the Sultan, although a bit on the soft side for truly skiing fast (as is the TST in rough snow) , is exceptional in steep bumps. I probably executed the best bump runs I have ever skied this past spring on that ski, on Chute 75.  I have never been capable of skiing a steep zipper-line as well as I did that day.

 

Other than that, they are probably pretty similar in terms of performance elsewhere on the hill, but the Sultan has quite a bit of metal, so expect really solid edge grip there.  

 

 

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post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by chuckl View Post

Many thanks for the review. I see you have the sultans in your quiver as I was wondering if you can draw any comparisons to the tst skies tested? At least to how both compare on the groomers and crud? I just picked up the tst skimyself.


Hi,

 

Yes, the Sultan wasn't really my own ski, but it is the shop demo fleet, and I found it to be a great go-to ski in tight situations, bumps, steeps.  Not quite as much fun as some of the others in big high speed turns; it is more of a medium turner, with a softer tip; very active ski, likes to be on edge. The TST is somewhat like that too, but softer; has a softer tail, a little more playful, maybe a touch more forgiving, definitely oriented more toward softer snow than the Sultan.  I would call the Sultan a 60/40 ski (60% frontside conditions; groomers, bumps) whereas the TST is more like a 40/60 or a 30/70.  

 

Hope this helps. 

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Hi,

 

Yes, the Sultan wasn't really my own ski, but it is the shop demo fleet, and I found it to be a great go-to ski in tight situations, bumps, steeps.  Not quite as much fun as some of the others in big high speed turns; it is more of a medium turner, with a softer tip; very active ski, likes to be on edge. The TST is somewhat like that too, but softer; has a softer tail, a little more playful, maybe a touch more forgiving, definitely oriented more toward softer snow than the Sultan.  I would call the Sultan a 60/40 ski (60% frontside conditions; groomers, bumps) whereas the TST is more like a 40/60 or a 30/70.  

 

Hope this helps. 



I am curious what length you skied the Sultan (Legend) 94 in. 

post #34 of 44

Very helpful...Thanks although I was thinking in terms of the 85mm and not the 94s....Its apples to oranges abit for me to ask how as 85 mm waist can compare to the TST but if you skied the 85 mm waist too that would be interesting to hear about. Nevertheless I sense that the Sultans in either waist are super easy to ski. For me I envisioned the TSTs to be that softer snow/powder day with better float wanting to jump into a rocker without the giant rockered tail....Anyhow, I probably could have looked at the DBS 112 for that true powder ski but wanted more versatility having this to use both out East and for those out West trips which are about 3-4 times a year...But I appreciate your observation on the front side to back side ration since that too was part of the decision to buy. Thanks alot for your help and truly appreciated.

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I am curious what length you skied the Sultan (Legend) 94 in. 



I have skied the 172 and 178: 178 is a much better match, as it has an early rise tip and can ski short. 

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Very helpful...Thanks although I was thinking in terms of the 85mm and not the 94s....Its apples to oranges abit for me to ask how as 85 mm waist can compare to the TST but if you skied the 85 mm waist too that would be interesting to hear about. Nevertheless I sense that the Sultans in either waist are super easy to ski. For me I envisioned the TSTs to be that softer snow/powder day with better float wanting to jump into a rocker without the giant rockered tail....Anyhow, I probably could have looked at the DBS 112 for that true powder ski but wanted more versatility having this to use both out East and for those out West trips which are about 3-4 times a year...But I appreciate your observation on the front side to back side ration since that too was part of the decision to buy. Thanks alot for your help and truly appreciated.



Yeah, sure, no problem!  I haven't skied the 85 in a year or so: it skis like a narrower waisted 94, really. No doubt it is quicker on groomers, holds a more solid edge on hard snow, and is quicker in bumps.  Not as much float in crud, probably a better choice if you either want groomer or bump performance.  Overall feel is smooth, damp, but powerful in the tail, with good edge grip.  Not quite up to Blizzard 8.1 Magnum or Kastle MX88 levels in terms of grip or stability, but much easier to ski in the equivalent length.    

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post #37 of 44
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Scott-  I am also really surprised about the conclusion on the Pro105, I didn't found it difficult to ski at all in 184, and it felt easier than my last generation 184 ProRider (which is also easier than the previous generation LPR). Perhaps this is a consequence in the difference is weight, I am close to 190lb these days (although you most likely leg-press twice as much as I can).  I just found that with the tip rocker the LPR got a bit quicker and more forgiving, but still was a crud destroyer. 

I tried the Legend Pro Rider105 late last year in the 175 length an it was the best ski I've ever been on....I'm 152-155 lbs, former instructor, and lots of professional cycling 100 years ago.

I liked it over the Bonafide, Katana, and Sally Czar, but YMMV.

It was not difficult to ski, but I think the 184 length would have been a handful for me..... great reviews dawg
 

 

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I tried the Legend Pro Rider105 late last year in the 175 length an it was the best ski I've ever been on....I'm 152-155 lbs, former instructor, and lots of professional cycling 100 years ago.

I liked it over the Bonafide, Katana, and Sally Czar, but YMMV.

It was not difficult to ski, but I think the 184 length would have been a handful for me..... great reviews dawg
 

 



Yeah, I kind of gathered that.  Unfortunately, I didn't try the 175; I will once we get some mounted up. I tried the 175 in the LPR 115 and thought it was a really fun ski, but preferred the quickness of the Huge to it. 

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post #39 of 44

returned from 2 days at wolf creek on the tsts and they exceeded my expectations....super nimble in the trees and were quick turners. what I was amazed at was how versatile the ski was.....even on groomers these skis were so easy to engage the tips as well....lots of fun! on a separate note, the days day at this resort were great....had the lifts to myself for 2 hrs at the start of the day....what a blast....

post #40 of 44

Chuckl, I love the TST. It blows me away at how well a ski like it will carve. I have had 7 days on hard snow with them in a 192 and I am really scratching my head on how much fun they are. I thought they would be pretty cool in medium to soft snow but their hardpack performance has exceeded all my expectations. Its my go to ski for Sun Valley right now and we have not had any snow forever. I hope it gets here, I am tired of traveling.

post #41 of 44

i had the same experience on the skis and really look forward to fresh powder to surely see how much fun these things will bring! I am sure there will be others to following loving these skis.

post #42 of 44

Your review of the Legend Pro Rider 105 is spot on. I spent a day on it last April at Crystal Mountain WA. We call it the Honey Badger. The thing is a missile. The 105 is the only ski I have ever been on that truly destroys crud, like you said "It's not there". Not nimble, not quick, point and shoot and hang on. You can ski crud on these like a GS ski on groomers.

 

I plan on adding it to my quiver for manked out crud days. My local shop is a Dynastar dealer.

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I have to side with a few other people here and disagree with a few of your reviews pretty strongly.  I had the 183 Katana all last year and I've had a few days on the 185 Cochise (own the 185 now) and a demo of the Legend 105.  

 

The Cochise has zero camber (someone already mentioned this) and has a 28m turn radius.  This thing is insane at large turns on groomers.  While you can squeeze out short turns amazingly well, the Cochise wants to haul ass in big GS turns.  It (along with the Bodacious) has the best stability of any full rockered ski I've ever been on.  I can't really understand how you didn't feel that.  It is eerie calm at high speeds in both hardpack and heavy crud. It is far better at doing this than the 183 Katana which wants to release and smear all the time.  While you can park and ride the Katana for big turns with little effort, it doesn't grip and inspire confidence in any way close to the Cochise.  

 

Last year's Katana (haven't been on this years...) is good at so many things, but upper end stability at speed on hardpack honestly isn't one of them.  The full rocker gets a little nervous at speed and you never really feel totally "secure" when you're hauling ass.  What the Katana is amazing at is smeary slarvy turns in tight spots and then being able to straightline the runout.  The Katana is actually a surprisingly good bump ski too.  This ski is super versatile and still Volkl's best ski (IMO) but I never felt confident just maching down hardpack on them like the Cochise or Legends.  

 

The Legend isn't really that demanding, but it doesn't really feel "modern" like the current group of rockered skis in its class.  It is more of an old school feel that is done pretty well.  That said, I don't see the point of a ski like this, in this width, anymore when you have stuff like the Cochise, Katana, Sickle, 112RP, S7 that have as much performance but are easier to handle all over. 

 

I wonder if snow conditions played a role in your impressions of the Cochise as being a short turner and the Katana being unflappable, because otherwise I honestly have no idea how you could draw those conclusions...

As owner of both a 193 Cochise and 190 Katana, I agree 100%!

post #44 of 44

Great post. I always enjoy reading your reviews and need to get down your way sometime to check out your shop and meet you.

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