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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by Sinecure View Post

Why would the feel of Alpine change so dramatically? It is highly unlikely they'll ever build any kind of base village at Alpine. They want to expand the one at Squaw.


QFT.  Until and unless they run out of space at the Squaw base, that's where they'll build.  It comes down to network effects.

 

Which is why, for a couple of years now, I've told my friends that the surest way to keep Alpine the same, or as close to it as possible, was to merge.

 

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Originally Posted by soulskier View Post

Since KSL bought the competition, Alpine won't be open until December 10, leaving only one mountain to share. 


Remember that Alpine announced a similar start date last year, and after it dumped, scrambled to get open for Thanksgiving.  The difference is that this year, unlike last, there hasn't been a passholder outcry, presumably because passholders could still hit Squaw and the conditions aren't exactly compelling.

post #32 of 52

 

The last closed gates

 

ESPN.com, December 5, 2011

post #33 of 52

More results of the merger being revealed. Alpine just announced they are jacking their daily pass prices to $92.

 

 

ALPINE MEADOWS RAISES DAY TICKET PRICES 290%

 

Unofficial Networks, 12/12/11

 

post #34 of 52


fixed the link (double http's)

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Originally Posted by soulskier View Post

More results of the merger being revealed. Alpine just announced they are jacking their daily pass prices to $92.

 

 

ALPINE MEADOWS RAISES DAY TICKET PRICES 290%

 

Unofficial Networks, 12/12/11

 



 

post #35 of 52

alpine now officially blows as it becomes corporation rip off central. I'll take sugar bowl for 62 bucks a day jack. Losers are talking about all the grooming they are planning and there lame ass shuttle busses,oy vey

post #36 of 52

Fix it for you. Isn't the ticket good for both Squaw and Alpine? If so, the problem is that there is no Alpine only lift ticket.
 

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Originally Posted by soulskier View Post

More results of the merger being revealed. Alpine just announced they are jacking their daily pass prices to $92.

 

 

ALPINE MEADOWS RAISES CHILD DAY TICKET PRICES 290%

 

Unofficial Networks, 12/12/11

 



 

post #37 of 52


Yes, the problem is there is no longer just an Alpine ticket because the new owners would prefer to have guests go to Squaw and spend money in their overpriced and vertically integrated, soul-less base village.

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Originally Posted by hellside View Post

Fix it for you. Isn't the ticket good for both Squaw and Alpine? If so, the problem is that there is no Alpine only lift ticket.
 



 



 

post #38 of 52
post #39 of 52

The whole 7 years waiting for permits thing is a total buzzkill.  Ugh.  I figured it would be 3 or 4 years at most, particularly with the economy you'd think they'd be anxious to collect on those permit fees.

post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

The whole 7 years waiting for permits thing is a total buzzkill.  Ugh.  I figured it would be 3 or 4 years at most, particularly with the economy you'd think they'd be anxious to collect on those permit fees.



Jay,

I read that article today also, good read. However, my honest opinion is that the time frame in the article, is wishful thinking. Having watched how long major things take to get done around Tahoe, I would say 11 yrs is the very least it will take, I'm guessing 15 yrs. Now the one thing they have going for them is that they are out of the TRPA's sphere of influence, other then that I would expect the usually suspects to file law suits when this starts to move forward. I'm talking about the Sierra Club, and various other people. Maybe the Olympic quest can get it done faster, but I doubt it. 

 

However, I'm still not convinced that is the place to connect these areas, White Wolf is low elevation combined with a South-Southwest exposure, equals high melt rates, low snow totals. 

post #41 of 52

Ske-Bum & JayT,

 

Normally I'd say you guys are right on. Long time to get this all approved. However, it seems to me there are a couple of mitigating factors. One, as SB points out, is that this land doesn't drain into the lake so there's less influence from TRPA and lake advocates. The other major one is that Troy already has a permit to operate a ski lift on that property. Granted, it is a very limited use permit (I've heard 25 skiers a day all of whom must have Avy 1 cert), but still - that's a long way down the road from just 'wanting' to do this.

 

I'd be stunned if there were a lift there next season, but I wouldn't be that surprised to see something by the '13-'14 or '14-'15. Yes, that's probably wishful thinking, but we'll see.

post #42 of 52

What Sinecure said.  And of course, they're saying that the overall project is a long-term deal.  But I'd be highly surprised if they waited nine years to line everything up, and then put everything in over the tenth summer.  It's much more likely that any development will occur in stages, and if so, I'd expect them to prioritize the low-hanging fruit -- namely, a connecting lift.  That could conceivably go in as early as the summer of 2012 if the deal is done early enough this season, but more likely the summer of 2013.

post #43 of 52

That makes more sense - hopefully that's the case.  Make it skiable quickly and then add the infrastructure stuff later on.

post #44 of 52

Have you ever seen it done any other way?

 

Not saying it's impossible, but I can't imagine this would be the project for which they'd break the mold.

post #45 of 52

Alpine resort seems really well managed. Our group is hangin' there these days and having a great time, all things relating to current sucky conditions considered.

 

The patrol are very cool and have their stuff together, and the avi dogs are tops. cattle dog, lab, golden, border collie. great variety of breeds.

 

The lifties are super polite, efficient, and many locally hired.

 

The mountain is, as always has been, very aesthetic, charming, beautiful. Keyhole and Idiots look like they ski pretty tough.

 

The snow making formula is pretty good, and they seem to have adequate water to keep making snow. repeating, the dogs are tops.icon14.gif

 

Thus far I might say: thanks Alpine for showing how it's done. and wuff, wuff!

 

 

post #46 of 52

Dav, track me down this weekend and I'll make sure you get some Doggie Trading Cards for you and your crew. If I'm in uniform, I'll have a few in a pocket. If I'm freeskiing, I know where to find them at lunch time.

post #47 of 52

Dav, nice to hear.  I'm hoping to be out this weekend and much of the next three weeks.  Let's try to make some turns.

post #48 of 52

 

Here's a good one worth the read.

Capitalism, Culture, and the Tahoe Ski Industry

 

Moonshine Ink, January 13, 2012

post #49 of 52

 

Colorado corporations buy Tahoe ski resorts

 

Marketplace, April 17, 2012

post #50 of 52

The future of extraordinary, courtesy of www.BroBomb.com

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ilONdw7wk

post #51 of 52
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The future of extraordinary, courtesy of www.BroBomb.com

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ilONdw7wk

That's some funny stuff, right there!

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post #52 of 52

But I wonder... will the submarine parking be free?

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