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post #61 of 65

Wow.  Scary stuff.  Reading through this thread and thinking about the knowledge that some of you have on BC conditions and safety reminds me of how little I know.  Even the terminology is like a completely new language.  I have no plans to venture into the BC or even the sidecountry until I have taken some training and have spent time learning under knowledgeable people.  To me, the risks just aren't worth it at this point in my life.  I appreciate the debate and discussion b/c it is very educational for me.  Its really too bad that he lost his life. 

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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

Wow.  Scary stuff.  Reading through this thread and thinking about the knowledge that some of you have on BC conditions and safety reminds me of how little I know.  Even the terminology is like a completely new language.  I have no plans to venture into the BC or even the sidecountry until I have taken some training and have spent time learning under knowledgeable people.  To me, the risks just aren't worth it at this point in my life.  I appreciate the debate and discussion b/c it is very educational for me.  Its really too bad that he lost his life. 


I have a beacon, shovel, and probe.  I've never taken an avi course.  What I know about how to use them I've learned from the Internet, watching the video that came with my beacon, or from the guides I've skied backcountry with.  I wear my beacon at times when I ski inbounds because the terrain I ski and the conditions mean that there is the potential to slide.

 

what this thread has confirmed for me is that I do not have the knowledge or experience to ski out of bounds without a guide I trust who has the requisite knowledge. When I've skied the side country at Jackson, it has been with a guide.  I skied Rock Springs once with my buds without a guide on a low risk day and while everything was fine, I regretted doing it.  I don't intend to venture out of bounds again without a guide or taking an avi course.

 

Mike

post #63 of 65

Personally I think that people should not let lack of knowledge get and experience get in their way of participating. You will never learn anything if you don't participate. There are numerous resources online you can find that provide basic awareness of Avy dangers and help you learn to make decisions to recreate safely in the BC.

 

http://utahavalanchecenter.org/online_tutorials

 

http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/training/online-course

 

post #64 of 65

Excellent point.  Skiing with a guide can also be a great experience, and may even be cost and time effective for many people who really only want to dip sidecountry a few times a year at most, but ultimately primarily teaches you how to ski with a guide.  Kinda like calling AAA versus knowing how to put on a spare.  Plus, depending on the specific type of guided experience you get, you may well do certain things that make total sense for the guide to have his clients do, but that run counter to what you would want to do on your own to be safe.


 

There is a guided version of "gang skiing" for instance.  And it's reasonable when guides have their clients do it.

 

For someone who wants to experience travel on their own, it's certainly reasonable to do even from a safety perspective, if safety is truly a priority.  One of the other curious things is that many people seem to want to ski even in the BC for social reasons and will sacrifice safety real quick for this, but that's a choice and not required.

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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

Personally I think that people should not let lack of knowledge get and experience get in their way of participating. You will never learn anything if you don't participate. There are numerous resources online you can find that provide basic awareness of Avy dangers and help you learn to make decisions to recreate safely in the BC.

 

http://utahavalanchecenter.org/online_tutorials

 

http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/training/online-course

 



 

post #65 of 65

I'm all about participating...but I'm just more cautious these days from a risk/reward perspective.  Each of us has our own risk threshold and that's a very personal decision.  I love skiing off piste, but am realizing that I haven't taken the time to really learn a significant amount about snow conditions, snow pack, etc. to venture out of the gates yet.  Even if I go with someone else more experienced than me, I am completely relying on their knowledge and judgment simply bc I don't know enough to counter a judgment they may be making about a particular aspect or proposed line.  That's not a situation I want to be in.  My plan is to take some avvy course from reputable and certified instructors and also do my own research on the side as I begin to educate myself.  Definitely reading here has helped as well.  Thanks for all that you guys are sharing. 

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