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post #181 of 214
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

So how is this much different from the professional instructors on the forum encouraging people to take lessons? I'm guessing that many instructors on this forum have made a lot more money personally from having their name and words on here than Phil has ... or whatever the issue is supposed to be.

 

(For the record, I'm not complaining about either. It's all good, as far as I'm concerned. I can buy skis or take lessons from whomever I want. Choice is a nice thing.)

This is actually an interesting question. First, I'd disagree that instructors have made as much money out of Epic as retailers. How many Epic members of the 34,000 even know who's an instructor, or where you can find them, or what their real name is, compared to our retailers, with their own websites and frequent comments from them or others (like me) to PM about particular models. Yesterday a poster was wondering if there were any 112RP's left and Phil said that he thought he had one pair left. And I usually direct "what-ski-should-I-buy" folks to our retailers rather than outsiders. When was the last time an instructor said to PM about getting a lesson? And what's your margin on lessons? Same as a shop's on skis? Face it, instructors are paid zip for a scarce skill set that took years to acquire, while big box retailers can hire college guys who raced in junior high to sell me $2,000 worth of gear in an hour. Our own small retailers have a lot different financial picture - which is why I keep trying to direct this entire brouhaha away from conspiracy theory and bias, and  toward viral models, appearances, and memes - but I still think they do significantly better than instructors from Epic. 

 

Second, lessons are services, skis are goods. The value of the lesson is a variable experience someone else's skill set provides you, like eating out, taking a college chem class, or getting a haircut. And you can ski without lessons, but not without skis. OTOH skis are durable goods, like (as we all know from the endless analogies) a car. So the ski provides fixed potential, no variation from the provider (that's quality control), and its exchange value depreciates by say half after one run. You provide the experience by using the product. Obviously, we want different skis to make us better skiers, despite all the obligatory arrow/archer quips, and we get irritated/disappointed at the ski when it doesn't. So I think we're uniquely vulnerable to skis, in the sense of seeing them as statements about how we ski, how much we know about what's hot, how "serious" we are about the sport. Lot of symbolic baggage. Like our cars. Cultural philosophers call these "narratives," which are little stories about how we see ourselves, or how we want to be seen, rather than just particular symbols, like a stop sign. Will I get the same reaction in lift line if I'm seen on narrow K2's as if I'm seen with instructor A instead of B? 

 

Third, it's the way the "encouragement" is packaged. We all tell everyone who will listen to a) take lessons, and b) get a good bootfitter. Ritualized mantras, and better yet, truth: the fastest routes to better skiing. But so pervasive and vague they're not memes. I haven't noticed a viral blitz to take lessons from Segbrown (you need to work on that wink.gif) and we rarely mention a fitter by name unless someone's asking for a particular town or region. But skis, that's another story. Because they have so much narrative value, and we can buy them from anywhere, we're all about lapping up info about them, ready to be infected...
 

 

post #182 of 214
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Originally Posted by nikonfme View Post

All but one store were sold out of the Bone in the 180. Needless to say, I purchased that pair. I hope these live up to all of the hype as I always demo before purchasing. But I new there would not be a chance in hell that I could demo these in December and then purchase......

 


Glad you got that last pair, also hope they live up to the hype. Suspect they will. But cannot think of a better statement of the urgency that a viral marketing campaign creates, how it overrides normal behavior. 

 

post #183 of 214
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Glad you got that last pair, also hope they live up to the hype. Suspect they will. But cannot think of a better statement of the urgency that a viral marketing campaign creates, how it overrides normal behavior. 

 


I agree with you Beyond. This is not my normal behavior. The reviews that I appreciate the most are Scott's. Over the years there have been many skis that he has either owned or reviewed that mirror my analysis of that particular ski. His reviews were pretty good on the Bone.

I've been looking for a ski roughly in this width for a while now. Had Enforcers but did not care for them. Tried the Mantra and too stiff for my liking. Tried the Watea 94 which felt nice but a tad soft. I like the reviews of the Dynastar Sultan 94 and if they ski as smoothly as my 4x4's I would be very happy. So my thought is, I will still demo. If I don't like the Bones on my demo day, I will sell them. Should not be too hard based on the fact that you can't get them and the hype............

 

post #184 of 214

The thing is I would never post a review for a product that was good, unless I thought it was good. Even if I was given the product.

 

For instance 4 years back Oregon Scientific gave me a POV camera to test. The product though was quite bad and its never work and always had errors. after some time spent trying to fix it I finally did a review on it and said it was crap.

 

I am also have posted negative reviews of skis before. I do not like the Old sugar daddies for instance and made that know, nor did I like the Pre rockered mantras

 

I know this started on Blizzard skis and I guess that was partly due to me stating way a couple years back when "the one" review got huge and I a was getting a dozen PMs a week about that ski. Still do quite bit.

 

post #185 of 214
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^^^^ Yeah, you actually started a couple of the Blizzard threads. We should pin this on you. Except that you don't sell 'em, you get them in a different route from a civilian, and you actually include qualifications, like in your Cochise and Bushwacker reviews, that tends not to characterize viral stuff. Plus everyone knows you're demented anyway...

 

I think Skiing made the Cochise go viral, mostly. We may have helped. Not sure the Bushwacker has had the same treatment. Our thing has been reviews of the Bonafide and 112RP. (And check out TGR on the 112, if you want viral; ain't just Epic where this happens.)

 

Gonna be so interesting to see what happens now that the 112 is sold out for a while and the Cochise and Bonafide will soon follow. Will every thread on the web about the remaining "other skis" contain the disclaimer, "While not as amazing as the XXX, this is the best of the rest...?"

 

Naaww. biggrin.gif

 


Edited by beyond - 12/3/11 at 1:55pm
post #186 of 214

Nikon:  I'm glad you were able to find a pair of Bones.  From what I've read, I'm sure they'll work out just fine.  I only wish I lived and skied in an area that I could justify acquiring a pair for myself.  I guess I'll just have to continue skiing and enjoying my Stockli Globes as they sufficiently meet the requirements of 90% of the conditions I see up here.

 

BWPA:  I fully agree with your take on reviewing products.  Call a spade a spade.  I think most folks would find your honesty somewhat refreshing.

post #187 of 214
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Nikon:  I'm glad you were able to find a pair of Bones.  From what I've read, I'm sure they'll work out just fine.  I only wish I lived and skied in an area that I could justify acquiring a pair for myself.  I guess I'll just have to continue skiing and enjoying my Stockli Globes as they sufficiently meet the requirements of 90% of the conditions I see up here.

 

BWPA:  I fully agree with your take on reviewing products.  Call a spade a spade.  I think most folks would find your honesty somewhat refreshing.



the thing is its been a couple years since I tested a truly bad ski! and most skis I do not like now (ala Keeper or Shaman) lots of people like them alot.

 

 

post #188 of 214
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the thing is its been a couple years since I tested a truly bad ski! and most skis I do not like now (ala Keeper or Shaman) lots of people like them alot.

 

 

There is nothing wrong about disliking a particular ski.  Bottom line is that as a reviewer, you are entitled to state your personal opinion on a product.   I remember years ago I demoed a Volkl 6 Star and absolutely loved it.  Couldn't afford it at the time but a summers later I bought the Allstar which was basically the same ski.  Later I stumbled onto this sight, read a bunch of reviews and worried that maybe I made the wrong choice based on the fact that it might be too much ski for me.  Once the snow fell and I was able to try them out, I absolutely loved them (for 5 years) and had no idea what concerns people were talking about.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that the reviews are great for gathering info, but its still up to us as consumers to make the right personal choice.

 

post #189 of 214

 I listened to Phil (aka. GB, Peggy etc.) and others on the Kastle MX88s and FX94s. Did I buy on those words alone. Hell no!  I did the next logical step and demoed a pair for a day. They were great for the areas I like to ski in and then some. And I then bought a pair.............. Make that two pair of 88s. One pair I sold off as I now remember and almost forgot.

 I do however, remember reading somebody making a purchase just off the written reviews alone. I think it was a pair of Blizzards too. A real dumb thing to do. But hey, "there is one born every minute and it takes three years for them to die." You can't save people from themselves. People learn the best in life from their bad beats. And from what I see on a daily basis. There aren't enough bad beats out there with the statements and actions of people I observe.

 If the ski shops (expanding their business to a national presence with on line sales on ski forums) hype something and it's less than they state. Well how long do you think that will last? Reputation is a pretty important thing these days. "You can shear a sheep many times but you can skin him only once." Burn someone even slightly (You may not even know that you did) and I doubt you will see their business again.

 


Edited by skimalibu - 12/4/11 at 1:03am
post #190 of 214
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 I do however, remember reading somebody making a purchase just off the written reviews alone. I think it was a pair of Blizzards too. A real dumb thing to do. But hey, "there is one born every minute and it takes three years for them to die." You can't save people from themselves. People learn the best in life from their bad beats. And from what I see on a daily basis. There aren't enough bad beats out there with the statements and actions of people I observe.

 

 

 

It’s quite possible you are referring to me on the mentioned comment. So did you pull out your quotable quotes paperback for your post? So if you purchase a pair of skis without a demo first, now you are a sucker?? So if I can’t demo a certain ski even if it’s highly recommended then stand clear of it??

 

First off, I try to demo as much as I can. Sometimes it’s just not possible and as a result, I occasionally rely on certain individuals for their input and feedback on a particular ski.

 

My first reliable source of info is my local ski shop. I am fortunate enough to have a very reputable shop in my area. I was invited to demo day with them this past spring to demo the 2012 line but could not make it. The feedback on the Bonafide was extremely positive after talking to them about it in September. Great, I will check them out once the season starts. Unfortunately they sold out of the Bone in October and cannot get any more.

 

I also rely on certain members of Epic for their reviews and feedback. Being a member for over 10 years, I know who the members are that post an unbiased and balanced review of a ski. At least I hope that is the case. smile.gif Over time when my opinion of a ski is often mirrored by some of these reviewers, I feel confident in purchasing a ski that they highly recommend.

 

So, just how many members of Epic do you think have the opportunity to demo before they purchase a new ski?

 

post #191 of 214
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This is actually an interesting question. First, I'd disagree that instructors have made as much money out of Epic as retailers. How many Epic members of the 34,000 even know who's an instructor, or where you can find them, or what their real name is, compared to our retailers, with their own websites and frequent comments from them or others (like me) to PM about particular models. Yesterday a poster was wondering if there were any 112RP's left and Phil said that he thought he had one pair left. And I usually direct "what-ski-should-I-buy" folks to our retailers rather than outsiders. When was the last time an instructor said to PM about getting a lesson? And what's your margin on lessons? Same as a shop's on skis? Face it, instructors are paid zip for a scarce skill set that took years to acquire, while big box retailers can hire college guys who raced in junior high to sell me $2,000 worth of gear in an hour. Our own small retailers have a lot different financial picture - which is why I keep trying to direct this entire brouhaha away from conspiracy theory and bias, and  toward viral models, appearances, and memes - but I still think they do significantly better than instructors from Epic. 

 

Second, lessons are services, skis are goods. The value of the lesson is a variable experience someone else's skill set provides you, like eating out, taking a college chem class, or getting a haircut. And you can ski without lessons, but not without skis. OTOH skis are durable goods, like (as we all know from the endless analogies) a car. So the ski provides fixed potential, no variation from the provider (that's quality control), and its exchange value depreciates by say half after one run. You provide the experience by using the product. Obviously, we want different skis to make us better skiers, despite all the obligatory arrow/archer quips, and we get irritated/disappointed at the ski when it doesn't. So I think we're uniquely vulnerable to skis, in the sense of seeing them as statements about how we ski, how much we know about what's hot, how "serious" we are about the sport. Lot of symbolic baggage. Like our cars. Cultural philosophers call these "narratives," which are little stories about how we see ourselves, or how we want to be seen, rather than just particular symbols, like a stop sign. Will I get the same reaction in lift line if I'm seen on narrow K2's as if I'm seen with instructor A instead of B? 

 

Third, it's the way the "encouragement" is packaged. We all tell everyone who will listen to a) take lessons, and b) get a good bootfitter. Ritualized mantras, and better yet, truth: the fastest routes to better skiing. But so pervasive and vague they're not memes. I haven't noticed a viral blitz to take lessons from Segbrown (you need to work on that wink.gif) and we rarely mention a fitter by name unless someone's asking for a particular town or region. But skis, that's another story. Because they have so much narrative value, and we can buy them from anywhere, we're all about lapping up info about them, ready to be infected...
 

 


 

http://www.epicski.com/a/epicski-instructor-and-coach-listing

 

Anyway, yeah, nice exposition on the difference between skis and lessons, but that wasn't exactly what I meant.  Maybe I don't understand your concern. 

 

I think many people find this site while they are researching or shopping for skis (I know I did), so I'm not surprised that many people seem so focused on equipment. 

post #192 of 214
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It’s quite possible you are referring to me on the mentioned comment. So did you pull out your quotable quotes paperback for your post? So if you purchase a pair of skis without a demo first, now you are a sucker?? So if I can’t demo a certain ski even if it’s highly recommended then stand clear of it??

 

First off, I try to demo as much as I can. Sometimes it’s just not possible and as a result, I occasionally rely on certain individuals for their input and feedback on a particular ski.

 

My first reliable source of info is my local ski shop. I am fortunate enough to have a very reputable shop in my area. I was invited to demo day with them this past spring to demo the 2012 line but could not make it. The feedback on the Bonafide was extremely positive after talking to them about it in September. Great, I will check them out once the season starts. Unfortunately they sold out of the Bone in October and cannot get any more.

 

I also rely on certain members of Epic for their reviews and feedback. Being a member for over 10 years, I know who the members are that post an unbiased and balanced review of a ski. At least I hope that is the case. smile.gif Over time when my opinion of a ski is often mirrored by some of these reviewers, I feel confident in purchasing a ski that they highly recommend.

 

So, just how many members of Epic do you think have the opportunity to demo before they purchase a new ski?

 



You're right ... it isn't as easy as some people seem to think. We had a big thread on that last year, I think. I can't ever find the skis I want to try in the length in which I'd buy them, anyway, so it's almost useless to me. 

post #193 of 214

I don't think buying based on reviews is all bad simply because there are so many good skis out there. If you want the best / perfect ski for you then yes you have to demo. But you can find a ski that will work pretty well and you will be very happy with simply from the reviews on this site. This is assuming you know generally what size you want and what category (e.g. funshape, allmountain, freeride, etc...) you are shopping in.

 

post #194 of 214
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I don't think buying based on reviews is all bad simply because there are so many good skis out there. If you want the best / perfect ski for you then yes you have to demo. But you can find a ski that will work pretty well and you will be very happy with simply from the reviews on this site. This is assuming you know generally what size you want and what category (e.g. funshape, allmountain, freeride, etc...) you are shopping in.

 



Good call.  Many of our customers are from parts of the country without real skiing. They may only get a trip or 2 our West to ski each year, and would rather buy a well-reviewed ski that fits their needs, instead of wasting time on the hill, trying to demo, when they haven't even been on skis for nearly a year. Better to just get something solid, and go enjoy it. Especially with so many good skis out there.  Seriously, it is hard to go wrong these days. I would be happy to own at least 1/2 of the high-end skis I review each year, and of those that I wouldn't want to own, probably another 25% is simply due to mismatches in flex for my weight or skiing style. That only leaves 1/4 of the skis that I am either not impressed with, or aren't close to what I am looking for in a ski.  People can make too big of a deal of it: like if they don't have ski A, they just won't have a good time on the hill and are freaking out about it, when ski B may be 99.5% as good, and once the placebo effect wears off after a few runs, not even notice the difference.  If there weren't a lot of good skis out there, there wouldn't be so many ski brands staying in business. 

 

I have even found that I demo a ski, find it agreeable, but not a standout, but when I get more time on it, find that it really becomes exactly what I was looking for, and a great choice. It may have taken me a bit of time to really understand the ski, and what kind of input it likes, and a bit of growing on my part. The MX78 was like that for me: I skied it the first time in 176cm, thinking it was pretty much a beast.  It turned out that my skiing just wasn't up to snuff to really get the most out of that ski; I had the skills, but had gotten lazy skiing a more forgiving ski that was putting me into more of a park and ride mode.  The MX78, in the bigger length, needed more precise input, more of an inside foot and  lower torso lead, more dynamic movements in general, and more active feet.  Once I got into skiing well, as the ski was directing me to, it became perhaps the best ski I have ever owned.  Not being thrilled with it the first few runs was hardly the fault of the ski.  Then again, there are plenty of others I did not warm up to, even after skiing them for a couple of days.

 

Reviews certainly help one narrow down the field. 

post #195 of 214
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b. I really dislike the enforced political correctness, for one example, look no further than the magazine gear evaluations that are nearly useless. I like my reviews biased, opinionated, and emotional. May not be your cup of tea, I undersand that.


e. The only way to keep marketing out of Epic is what TGR does- community policing.  And preferably it should not be done through character assassination, but rather through posting counterpoints.  Saying something along the lines of "BS, I was on that ski and it sucked in a, b, and c, and here is why" works a lot better than labeling people "viral marketers".


g.  To follow up on point (e): may the people who are privatel unhappy with Epic reviews come out and make their voice heard.  


Dude this is a completely irrelevant issue to bring up. Beyond is offering a critique and simply asking some posters to make changes (what he considers to be improvements) to their posting style -- specifically asking to avoid viral marketing and putting more focus on analysis. No one is talking about enforcing anything and it certainly has nothing to do with political correctness. He is asking for substantive changes.

 

I don't think the viral marketing claims are an example of character assassination. They are substantive criticisms about the review content.

post #196 of 214
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

I don't think buying based on reviews is all bad simply because there are so many good skis out there. If you want the best / perfect ski for you then yes you have to demo. But you can find a ski that will work pretty well and you will be very happy with simply from the reviews on this site. This is assuming you know generally what size you want and what category (e.g. funshape, allmountain, freeride, etc...) you are shopping in.

 



Yes and no. Going off of a static review can be risky but what her have here on Epic is the ability to converse with the reviewer, something that cannot be done at Ski, Skiing or even RealSkiers. I agree that most people do not have the opportunity to demo..properly (right conditions, right comparison and right tune) they do have the ability to communicate with testers here who HAVE skied the product in conditions that proper and convey am opinion to if and why a particular ski might be applicable for them or what ski would be a good option.

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Originally Posted by nikonfme View Post

 

It’s quite possible you are referring to me on the mentioned comment. So did you pull out your quotable quotes paperback for your post? So if you purchase a pair of skis without a demo first, now you are a sucker?? So if I can’t demo a certain ski even if it’s highly recommended then stand clear of it??

 

First off, I try to demo as much as I can. Sometimes it’s just not possible and as a result, I occasionally rely on certain individuals for their input and feedback on a particular ski.

 

My first reliable source of info is my local ski shop. I am fortunate enough to have a very reputable shop in my area. I was invited to demo day with them this past spring to demo the 2012 line but could not make it. The feedback on the Bonafide was extremely positive after talking to them about it in September. Great, I will check them out once the season starts. Unfortunately they sold out of the Bone in October and cannot get any more.

 

I also rely on certain members of Epic for their reviews and feedback. Being a member for over 10 years, I know who the members are that post an unbiased and balanced review of a ski. At least I hope that is the case. smile.gif Over time when my opinion of a ski is often mirrored by some of these reviewers, I feel confident in purchasing a ski that they highly recommend.

 

So, just how many members of Epic do you think have the opportunity to demo before they purchase a new ski?

 


 First off,  Did I step on an ego? Hum  Don't have your book. Not everyone has your self described astronomical skill set and reviewers "you know". I don't know why you read any other post with all that going on. Because you've got it down after a whole ten seasons.

  I just use logic and don't fall for sales tactics. The Fischer vacuum boots were said to be on a similar path. Great, go buy them too. (It now seems that those that waited might be rewarded for next years offering with a better quality liner.)

  I heard locally that "Blizzard will discontinue their freeride line next year". I laughed at the salesman and said I'll bet you $10,000 they won't. He didn't say another word. Urgency is a very old sales tactic. And one that should trigger a walk away. Because the seller has no respect for you. Notice that some ski next year will be better than anything currently available, real or imagined. It's always true. You want to assume something by reviews without the acid test. Go ahead. Why you might just be super cool. lol 

 The Kastle MX88s were "sold out" last year........ No big deal, you can find them in sizes this year at a discount. Imagine that.

 You couldn't get "Boned" after October? lol....... No more ever!......Get them next year...... But but it's an urgency emergency this year!

  How many members? Well they aren't just starting out. They are those that have skied for a while. And the ones that want to know exactly what they are getting. I would think they only take reviews as a guide to save time in which few skis to demo in that current year.

  I noticed a thread "I hate my skis" Did they demo? Who knows or cares at this point. But they followed their reviewers words and like the GNAR of the topsheets. lol They also have a matching color jacket. All super cool acts.

 

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 First off,  Did I step on an ego? Hum  Don't have your book. Not everyone has your self described astronomical skill set and reviewers "you know". I don't know why you read any other post with all that going on. Because you've got it down after a whole ten seasons.

  I just use logic and don't fall for sales tactics. The Fischer vacuum boots were said to be on a similar path. Great, go buy them too. (It now seems that those that waited might be rewarded for next years offering with a better quality liner.)

  I heard locally that "Blizzard will discontinue their freeride line next year". I laughed at the salesman and said I'll bet you $10,000 they won't. He didn't say another word. Urgency is a very old sales tactic. And one that should trigger a walk away. Because the seller has no respect for you. Notice that some ski next year will be better than anything currently available, real or imagined. It's always true. You want to assume something by reviews without the acid test. Go ahead. Why you might just be super cool. lol 

 The Kastle MX88s were "sold out" last year........ No big deal, you can find them in sizes this year at a discount. Imagine that.

 You couldn't get "Boned" after October? lol....... No more ever!......Get them next year...... But but it's an urgency emergency this year!

  How many members? Well they aren't just starting out. They are those that have skied for a while. And the ones that want to know exactly what they are getting. I would think they only take reviews as a guide to save time in which few skis to demo in that current year.

  I noticed a thread "I hate my skis" Did they demo? Who knows or cares at this point. But they followed their reviewers words and like the GNAR of the topsheets. lol They also have a matching color jacket. All super cool acts.

 


There you go again..........ROTF.gif I just can't keep up with your wit. Now go and finish your homework.

 


Edited by nikonfme - 12/5/11 at 5:31am
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 First off,  Did I step on an ego? Hum  Don't have your book. Not everyone has your self described astronomical skill set and reviewers "you know". I don't know why you read any other post with all that going on. Because you've got it down after a whole ten seasons.

  I just use logic and don't fall for sales tactics. The Fischer vacuum boots were said to be on a similar path. Great, go buy them too. (It now seems that those that waited might be rewarded for next years offering with a better quality liner.)

  I heard locally that "Blizzard will discontinue their freeride line next year". I laughed at the salesman and said I'll bet you $10,000 they won't. He didn't say another word. Urgency is a very old sales tactic. And one that should trigger a walk away. Because the seller has no respect for you. Notice that some ski next year will be better than anything currently available, real or imagined. It's always true. You want to assume something by reviews without the acid test. Go ahead. Why you might just be super cool. lol 

 The Kastle MX88s were "sold out" last year........ No big deal, you can find them in sizes this year at a discount. Imagine that.

 You couldn't get "Boned" after October? lol....... No more ever!......Get them next year...... But but it's an urgency emergency this year!

  How many members? Well they aren't just starting out. They are those that have skied for a while. And the ones that want to know exactly what they are getting. I would think they only take reviews as a guide to save time in which few skis to demo in that current year.

  I noticed a thread "I hate my skis" Did they demo? Who knows or cares at this point. But they followed their reviewers words and like the GNAR of the topsheets. lol They also have a matching color jacket. All super cool acts.

 



Sure, you can always wait till next year, but you will only be one year older when you do. 

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Sure, you can always wait till next year, but you will only be one year older when you do. 

No, in addition you will be one year richer.  wink.gif
 

 

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No, in addition you will be one year richer.  wink.gif
 

 



And IF I worked on commission (I don't) I would be able to afford that newspaper I aways wanted. tongue.gif

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wow... hope it snows soon.

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Pretty much.  Clearly this thread is a perfect example of early season snow suckage.
 

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wow... hope it snows soon.



 

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Pretty much.  Clearly this thread is a perfect example of early season snow suckage.
 



 



No question about it biggrin.gif I'm at the point where my mountain only has 6 trails open and I'm still going to take a day off this week and just do those 6 shit trails..........

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No question about it biggrin.gif I'm at the point where my mountain only has 6 trails open and I'm still going to take a day off this week and just do those 6 shit trails..........


   Whistler has been really nice. lol  And I've got just as many days left ahead.   Oh enjoy your mountain of .......    biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Your mountan does fit you. Super Cool !

 



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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post



Sure, you can always wait till next year, but you will only be one year older when you do. 


    Doesn't bother me Phil, things can ONLY get better, right?   I hope it doesn't bother you and your doing well. Sorry to hear about the poor ski conditions in your area. 

 

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This thread is too confusing for me....it a lack-of-brain-cells thing, I think

 

I find the reviews on epic very useful....I'm small, so I give more weight to reviewers like Dawg, beyond, et al, and I think Philpug, SJ, alexyn and others >175 lbs.should LOSE WEIGHT ASAP so that us small guys could all be on the same page.

 

And Trekchick should start bulking up with several cheeseburgers per day...you can kill me now!

 

I think I'll go ride my bike for a while until it snows

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Thread Starter 

^^^^^ Biking???!!? You sound like Dawg. Serious addiction, only cured by early season hiking for your turns...but we could do things with your general suggestion. Sort of like Logan's Run except for weight...biggrin.gif

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^^^^^ Biking???!!? You sound like Dawg. Serious addiction, only cured by early season hiking for your turns...but we could do things with your general suggestion. Sort of like Logan's Run except for weight...biggrin.gif

But you can't get the:

 

" On a dark desert hiway, cool wind in my hair,

Warm smell of colitas, rising up thru the air,

Up ahead in the distance.....".etc

 

It's a West Coast thing..

 

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Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post

 

I find the reviews on epic very useful....I'm small, so I give more weight to reviewers like Dawg, beyond, et al, and I think Philpug, SJ, alexyn and others >175 lbs.should LOSE WEIGHT ASAP so that us small guys could all be on the same page.

Tell me about it ;-)   But then I will have to turn over my entire quiver... bummer...

 

Beyond- biking is definitely a West Coast thing, and in some regions it is a borderline obsession.  But it's fun ;-)   If you live where nfp158 lives, it is borderline criminal not to ride a bike.  

 

post #210 of 214

Around here, it is criminal not to race your bike.  Cyclocross at the bare minimum.  I raced the Cat 2/3 race yesterday at the GP Cyclocross Deschutes Brewery, and had so much fun!  I had a mechanical that cost me 45 seconds and dropped me from the lead, and crashed hard 4 times trying to chase back on, which took me out of the running. Super fun, except for hitting the ground!  I stayed away from the pro race: a great result by me would have been about 40th. Those guys are like Superman over the barriers.  

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