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advice for my wife with skinny shins/calves

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Hoping you boot fitting experts can give me some advice on next steps for my wife's choice of liner.

 

My wife has done the Surefoot thing a couple times over the years -- most recently last week in their latest liner.  Each time she ends up with a VERY thick tongue, presumably because she is slight (5'2" 105 lbs) and has skinny lower legs, so the tongue fills with a lot of foam to fill the gap. I think the thick tongue (not quite as bad this time as in the older liner a few years ago) is making it v hard for her to flex the boot and my guess is it's a combination of all that foam as a buffer between her shin and the shell but also that the thickness of the tongue is changing the angle of her leg in the boot and diminishing her leverage. This time around, the boot is a relatively soft boot that she was able to flex very deeply and smoothly in a stock liner. But with the foamed Surefoot liner she couldn't flex it much at all -- it was a VERY dramatic difference. The boot is a Lange Exclusive RX 80 LV. The shell seems a good choice for her because she has VERY low volume feet and yet is small and more intermediate than advanced -- it's a rare soft boot with a 97mm last.

 

Anyway, seems like there are a range of solutions:

 

1) Remove one or both rear rivets from the boots and see how much that improves flex (but even if it does, isn't it not great for the tongue to be forcing her into a somewhat incorrect angle/posture int he boot? These boots do not have adjustable forward lean so can't compensate that way).

 

2) Use the stock liner instead (although presumably fit around other parts of her foot will notbe as good and she may have shin bang too)

 

3) Use a Zipfit or Intuition (If this is the right next step, advice on which of the two and which model would be much appreciated...we're in NYC so unlikely we can try a few in a shop).

 

4) Get re-foamed if Surefoot has ways of ensuring less foam goes to the tongue

 

On the one hand, I assume eliminating some of the void around her leg in the cuff area is good 'cause it will reduce shin bang, but seems bad to have so much of that filled with the tongue.

 

Thanks much for any guidance you folks can provide.

 

--Josh

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Originally Posted by Re-Skier View Post


1) Remove one or both rear rivets from the boots and see how much that improves flex (but even if it does, isn't it not great for the tongue to be forcing her into a somewhat incorrect angle/posture int he boot? These boots do not have adjustable forward lean so can't compensate that way).

 

2) Use the stock liner instead (although presumably fit around other parts of her foot will notbe as good and she may have shin bang too)

 

3) Use a Zipfit or Intuition (If this is the right next step, advice on which of the two and which model would be much appreciated...we're in NYC so unlikely we can try a few in a shop).

 

4) Get re-foamed if Surefoot has ways of ensuring less foam goes to the tongue


1)  try and see

2) yup, (and get  a refund on the foam)   the shell shape should be tight without the foam,   I;ve never liked the concept of "just fill up the extra volume with foam"   you need the shell to fit right first.

3)  maybe a thick intuition.  call crystal at intuition and ask her

4)  ask them, but yes,  they flow rates are controlable..

 

post #3 of 9

We sell 100s of boots every year without foam tongues or foam liners and everyone seems to be happy.  No doubt there are times it may help, but to assume it is necessary automatically seems to me to be a mistake that your experience has born out.  I wonder what your wife would end up with if she visited a boot fitting shop instead of a chain store.

 

See if you can find a Dalbello Scorpion WC in a 90 flex and have her try it.

 

Lou

post #4 of 9

If her leg is narrow try a Eliminator tongue by www.mastfitinc.com with the stock liner.

 

Jeffrey S. Rich C. Ped

http://www.usorthoticcenter.com

post #5 of 9

Hi reskier,

 

     In the real world we are supposed to ski in a "stacked" position, primarily riding on our bones, using our muscles to control our position over the ski.  If your wife has slender calves and her leg is pulled into a more upright position when the boot is buckled, she may not have enough forward lean in the boot to put her in a centered up position.  This will show up as she transitions from one turn to the next, she will have to step the uphill ski to start a new turn, and she will be a chronic back seat skier.  When buckled her boots will seem to stiff and she may prefer to ski with the upper buckle and power strap looser, which allows her to move her knees forward, (not much support here).

 

     Have her stand in her boots on a hard floor with the boot toes lined up  and the 2 upper buckles and power strap open---then have her find a place (by sinking her knees toward her toes and back up several times with her femurs vertical) where she has equal weight on the ball and heel of her foot.  Measure the distance from the back of her calf to the inside of the liner, when she is in this equal weighted position.  Add a spoiler (or maybe 2) to make up this space.  Then, when she skis, her COM (center of mass) will be over the ski center. I disagree with adding tongue material, it will only push her back out of position in the boot.

 

mike


Edited by miketsc - 11/14/11 at 10:41am
post #6 of 9

Mike, i don't like to much forward lean. It make the thigh a solar collector because of to much forward lean causing the quads to burn out early. 20 years ago all manufacture used lots of forward lean.. that was yesterday today's skis work better in a more upright stance. Don't preload the ski! But you know the story of opinions?

 

Jeffrey Rich C. Ped

http://www.usorthoticcenter.com

post #7 of 9

Jeff, I didn't say "get to much forward lean", just bring her COM over the center of the ski----neat comment about Solar Collectors, wish I had thought of that one.

post #8 of 9

i cant take the credit for that quote...i stole it from Greg Hoffman.

 

Jeffrey S. Rich C.Ped

http://www.usorthoticcenter.com

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

We sell 100s of boots every year without foam tongues or foam liners and everyone seems to be happy.  No doubt there are times it may help, but to assume it is necessary automatically seems to me to be a mistake that your experience has born out.  I wonder what your wife would end up with if she visited a boot fitting shop instead of a chain store.

 

See if you can find a Dalbello Scorpion WC in a 90 flex and have her try it.

 

Lou



Does Dalbello make the Scorpion with a 95mm last in a 90? I assumed only the 150 and maybe 130 could be had in that WC width. I don't even see a Scorpion 90 on their website except the junior boot and even that's a 98mm width.  If one exists, how would I go about getting my hands on one since I assume few if any shops would stock it?

 

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