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post #61 of 88

The crowding has nothing to do with the binding. they want to be SEEN

problem is riding and loading and unloading the lifts with a snowboard all over you, pressing down, bumping, shoving over, scraping and scratching, riding over, etc.  and I know it's not necessary because boarders who want to be considerate and have some skills don't do it.

about how the two disciplines track the snow: divide the hill in half for one or two days, one for skiers one for boarders and see how the snow develops. I've seen that division occur on its own and saw the results.

post #62 of 88
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

There would be a back-up at the top of every lift and they'd have to keep shutting it down.  Picture an entire trail 70 feet wide completely blocked by multiple rows of boarders sitting on their asses.

 

I rarely engage in any anti-snowboarding talk because a have good friends who ride, but the sitting right in the way thing really starts to bug me.
 



 


"You people... stay out of our way. You may ski on zat side OR on zat side, but stay out of zee meedle!" ~ Rudy Garmisch

 

post #63 of 88
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

The crowding has nothing to do with the binding. they want to be SEEN

problem is riding and loading and unloading the lifts with a snowboard all over you, pressing down, bumping, shoving over, scraping and scratching, riding over, etc.

 

We do that because skiers suck.
 

 

post #64 of 88

Nicely played.  I should add that I know snowboarders who get just as sick and tired of other snowboarders sitting in a row blocking the way.
 

While we're on the topic of Hot Dog, and to improve this thread dramatically, I found myself cracking up at the beginning of 4FRNT's latest film Loyalty...

 

 

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"You people... stay out of our way. You may ski on zat side OR on zat side, but stay out of zee meedle!" ~ Rudy Garmisch

 



 

post #65 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tarzanman View Post

From what I have observed, most of the remaining 'bad blood' between skiers/boarders is amongst 40+ year old skiers who do not live within 150 miles of a mountain.   I live in Atlanta.  2 seasons ago I happened to be in a local ski shop (yes, we have a couple) called 'Atlanta Ski & Snowboard'.  I overheard a salesperson giving the spiel about the dangers of snowboarders to a group of  customers who were about to take their first ski trip in over 10 years.    The salesperson was late 40's - to mid 50's in terms of age.

 

Alta and Deer Valley notwithstanding, I have yet to run into the same attitude from any industry employees/professionals on my trips out west.   Locals/bums have never really cared what I'm wearing on my feet... though I have been asked by skiers sharing a lift chair to stagger/or delay my dismount (in that case, reassuring them that I was not going to fall off the lift chair seemed to suffice).

 

 

Anyways, once the elitist-tourons either die off or become to weak/infirm to ski then the subculture will be a nicer place to inhabit.

 

I have much less of a problem with Alta and Deer Valley holding fast to their bans in light of the fact that I can snowboard basically everywhere else.   Don't get me wrong, I still think that the people who run those resorts are jerks... but it leaves me (and others) enough freedom to vote with my dollar.  I do wish that snowbird would stop sharing profits with them, though.  If Alta wants to be high-and-mighty about the situation then they should stick to their morals, IMO.

 

 

Pretty spot on.
 

 



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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

There would be a back-up at the top of every lift and they'd have to keep shutting it down.  Picture an entire trail 70 feet wide completely blocked by multiple rows of boarders sitting on their asses.

 

I rarely engage in any anti-snowboarding talk because a have good friends who ride, but the sitting right in the way thing really starts to bug me.
 



 


Quite honestly there is no shortage of gapers on 2 planks standing in the same spot....gaping.

 

I have lost count of how many times I have been waiting for my GF to finish strapping in. Off to the side and out of the way FWIW. Just to have some kook ski up, and stop right in front of here as she's about to take off.

 

As said a million times before. Both skiers and slowboarders have their fail share of idiots.

 

Every year there is some goon who thinks they are being so clever by starting one of these threads.

 

post #66 of 88

When I do encounter a cluster of boarders sitting in the middle of a trail I simply say,"Guys, sitting here is not a good idea and puts yourselves at risk.  Please move to the side of the trail."  Maybe because I'm wearing the resort's uniform or maybe they're shocked to see a 65 year old on a snowboard but they always comply with my suggestion without comment.  Over time they get the message.

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Edited by telerod15 - 11/17/11 at 3:43am
post #68 of 88

This is all pretty funny.  The reality is that the snow needs to start falling so we all actually have something important to talk about.

 

The economics of skiing vs. snowboarding is pretty intersting.  Rumor has it that Ernie Blake's last wish on his deathbed was that Taos would never allow snowboarders.  Now, I wasn't there and wouldn't claim to know the truth to that story.  But I do know that Taos now allows snowboarders and if they didn't, they would probably be bankrupt.  They've had some lean years, and I'm sure the  addition of more families who might otherwise go to Angel Fire, Santa Fe, Durango, Wolf Creek, etc. has helped keep them afloat.

 

Assuming the legend is true, I have visions of his kids (who now run the place) sitting around a table saying Ernie would roll over in his grave much LESS if we allow snowboarders than we have to close the place down and end his legacy.

 

I will remove myself from this meaningless post by saying, I have no problem with snowboarders.  I do have a problem with stupid people.  I will draw no lines between the two.

 

Good night!

post #69 of 88
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Originally Posted by elduderino View Post

I will remove myself from this meaningless post by saying, I have no problem with snowboarders.  I do have a problem with stupid people.  I will draw no lines between the two.

 

Good night!



Yes, skiers forget that snowboarders have a blind side and snowboarders forget that it isn't fun for skiers to have someone to suddenly sit down in front of them or suddenly pop up and cut across the trail without looking, but I will draw a line. I've been with courteous skiers and snowboarders, but what pisses everyone off more than anything are discourteous people on both sides. I'm not talking about the ones who accidentally cut you off, but the guys that seem to go out of their way to cause problems (and yes, there are the stupid people, too. Too bad we can't do like the song and say "Here's your sign").

 

Spacecase

 

post #70 of 88

Worst thing about snowboarders are their YouTube videos. 

Seriously, can you not edit out the first half of you getting off the lift and sitting on your ass for 2 minutes. 

post #71 of 88
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Originally Posted by elduderino View Post

 

I will remove myself from this meaningless post 

 

Good night!



oops...I lied.  

 

In defense of our snowboarding breathen, they don't all sit on their asses for extended times at the top of the lifts.

 

My college roommate was so hardcore that he never stopped at the top of the lift.  He went bell to bell everyday and ate lunch on the lift.  He would do his bindings on the fly and I was the one at the time holding him up while I readjusted my boots after loosening them for the ride up.

post #72 of 88

I have to say, you buy a ticket, the hill is yours to enjoy for the day, with absolute freedom. icon14.gif (minus safety breaches and discourteous behavior of course ) thousands of people you disagree with are not going to just disappear on the mountain.

post #73 of 88

I think by now the whole skier / snowboarder debate has gotten a little overdone. Any with some skill on either one that can carve down the mountain is fine by me. Although if I were to start a debate, by now its mountain rider vs park-rat. That's where I start realizing I'm a bit more old school and judgmental haha.

post #74 of 88

Exactly.
 

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Originally Posted by shawea View Post

I think by now the whole skier / snowboarder debate has gotten a little overdone. Any with some skill on either one that can carve down the mountain is fine by me. Although if I were to start a debate, by now its mountain rider vs park-rat. That's where I start realizing I'm a bit more old school and judgmental haha.



 

post #75 of 88

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Originally Posted by shawea View Post

I think by now the whole skier / snowboarder debate has gotten a little overdone. Any with some skill on either one that can carve down the mountain is fine by me. Although if I were to start a debate, by now its mountain rider vs park-rat. That's where I start realizing I'm a bit more old school and judgmental haha.

 


Or maybe the thread should be titled those who use poles vs. those who don't...

 

post #76 of 88
As I said before they're the same sport... Ask anyone under 40!!!
post #77 of 88
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post


"You people... stay out of our way. You may ski on zat side OR on zat side, but stay out of zee meedle!" ~ Rudy Garmisch

 


roflmao.gif  "Hey Rudy, you can kiss my ass.  Not on zees side.  Not on zat side.  But right in zee middle." ~ Dan O'Callaghan

post #78 of 88
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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe View Post

As I said before they're the same sport... Ask anyone under 40!!!


Ah, the innocence of youth......

post #79 of 88

Becoming an expert snowboarder in 15 days - that's my fav.  Talk about extreme - riding double black diamonds? I bet they're the double black diamonds with 'E' and 'X', too.  So rad - brah.

 

Really good stuff in here guys.  Please keep it coming. icon14.gif

post #80 of 88

Borders flatten out the moguls and turn the runs into ice, that is why they want to ride the edge of the trails. Wish they'd stick to the snow parks so we could have some snow to ski in.

post #81 of 88
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Originally Posted by OldNevada View Post

Borders flatten out the moguls and turn the runs into ice, that is why they want to ride the edge of the trails. Wish they'd stick to the snow parks so we could have some snow to ski in.


I find they push snow to the sides because lots of beginners are side slipping down the more steep slopes. So I tend to spend more time on the sides of the run where there is more snow.
post #82 of 88
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 

We do that because skiers suck.
 

 



 The human slalom makes for great training.

 

Personally it's the teleskiers i don't get. Why don't they get those heel pieces fixed ? 

post #83 of 88

We're working on that. i believe the new NTN system holds most of the boot sole down.

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post #85 of 88

I started snowboarding in 1985 on the east coast when only Stratton and Alpine Mountain (in PA and ahead of their time) allowed it.  Literally, me and my friends were the only guys on the mountain that first year.  My first year I had a Snowtech with no edges and only steel fins on the back.  And I snowboarded all the way up to age 39 when I decided to go back to skiing which is what I originally learned how to do as a kid and was very good at age 16 when I switched.

 

I switched to snowboarding b/c #1 I surfed and #2 it was "cool" and "different" at the time.  I switched back to skiing b/c #1 I wanted a change, #2 I was tired of kicking around and strapping in and out and #3 my daughter started to ski at age 4.

 

Both sports are great but it is true that you look at the mountain differently on either.

 

Also, there is NO WAY skiing would be where it is at today without the influence of snowboarding and Jake Burton.

 

Today I carve and ski more like I used to snowboard then I did back in the day skiing.  Now I am 42 skiing 179s and carving my ass off and that has everything to do with people seeing what we were doing on the snow back then and being forced to progress the sport of skiing.  Also, snowboarding in powder back then blew away any feeling you could get on skis but, once again, skiing caught up and now the float you get on rockered powder boards rivals snowboarding if not surpasses it - particularly on super steep.

 

 

 

 

 

post #86 of 88
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

We're working on that. i believe the new NTN system holds most of the boot sole down.


I was checking that out, releasable and more control over the ski all through the turn. If it could end the flailing of equipment in a bad fall that might save a few body parts.

 

 

ooops sorry about the threadjack  .Is this a helmet thread or a snowboarder hater group thread ? Personally I love to share the hill with anyone who will play with me. We all have our bad habits and are full of stupid decisions. Live and learn to play well together is the only solution. 

post #87 of 88
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Originally Posted by GarryZ View Post


I was checking that out, releasable and more control over the ski all through the turn. If it could end the flailing of equipment in a bad fall that might save a few body parts...

 

I use ski bindings that release in all directions, for instance during the slow rearward twisting falls often associated with ACL sprains, knock on wood. NTN only releases laterally like an alpine binding. As for the enhanced control, it does look like it will benefit those who need a little extra help. It's funny that Telemarkers are so determined to find a more solid connection to their skis, when bindings that hold the entire boot sole firmly to the ski have been available for years... I thought giving up control was the reason to ski Telemark. :D

post #88 of 88

Haha, free the heel - free the soul!
 

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Originally Posted by GarryZ View Post



 The human slalom makes for great training.

 

Personally it's the teleskiers i don't get. Why don't they get those heel pieces fixed ? 



 

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