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2013 DPS Wailer 99 Released

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DPS Wailer 99

 

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This ski promises to be the "skinny" Wailer 112RP.  As a 112RP owner I'm not so sure, but that's just from looking at the specs.  DPS did NOT just slim down the 112RP.  On paper it seems more like the kinship between the Wailer 99 and the 112RP is similar to that of the Rossi S3 to the S7.

 

The Wailer 99 has dimensions of 121-99-108 with a sidecut of 18m for the 184cm length.  So it's actually a longer radius cut on a shorter ski than the 190cm 112RP.  It has quite a pintail design with only 9mm of difference between the waist and the tail dimensions (tail cut).  Also when comparing the rocker length specs it looks to have about half that of the 112RP.

 

DPS does a demo tour every year and I'm hoping they'll have this ski available, but I'm not holding my breath.  Most likely won't get on them until SIA unless I actually pull the trigger and buy them.  They're $799 in hybrid construction and $1199 for the pure.

 

< / Paging Marshal Olson to the white courtesy phone / >

 

Hopefully Marshal can give us the low down on how these ski in comparison to the 112RP.

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hey noodler, the wailer 99 strives to build on what we learned from what works so well with the wailer 112, and applied these concepts to a different waist width, with different performance characteristics and a different idealized terrain use.  the wailer 99 was really designed from the ground up to be a stand-alone ski, rather than just making the wailer 112 skinnier.    

 

so yeah... there is a sample pair en-route as we speak to start haus for SJ and Phil to test, and of course i will have some demos here in a few, i would be happy to let you test at loveland or a-basin or something (i live in denver too). jonathan at blister has a review posting in a few hours as well.  

 

the wailer 99 has a longer effective edge than the wailer 112 in the same length.  the 184 w99 has basically the same effective edge as the 190 wailer 112, so what that means is  the rocker line is ~35mm shorter in the shovel and ~25mm shorter in the tail, which is about 12-15% shorter rocker (not half).  out of the box, someone will also notice the much flatter tail profile.  the rocker works the same in relation to the termination of the effective edge, but there is very minimal additional rise after this, where the wailer 112 has a pronounced secondary kick to it.  

 

i hope these forth-coming reviews like the ski as much as stephan, peter and i do :D

 

 

 

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Hi, wondering how the Ninas 99 behaves on hard pack compared with 112 RP? I LOVE my Yvettes, not only off-piste but also on-piste where they are extremely catchy and fun to ski. What would be the differences? Consider buying this ski to my teenage son who probably want to go a little more on-piste than off! Looking forward to more reviews.


Edited by ptiger - 11/10/11 at 8:41am
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congratulations on the new model release.icon14.gif  looks like a great addition to the line. know I'll see them on the hill soon.

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Shape and profile is considerably different than the 112, this isn't just a S7/S3 relationship, just looking at the above picture that is obvious. I am looking forward to skiing the 99, DPS has some of the smartest ski minds in the business in already having such good skis as the 112 and the 120 and now I even looking at the profile of the 99, it could very well be up there with the class leaders  in a crowded 95-100mm segment which is a great accomplishment for a smaller boutique manufacturer.

 

We look forward to getting on these ASAP and reporting back. 


Edited by Philpug - 11/10/11 at 7:13am
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I'm pretty excited to try these out, but they clash with my ski outfit.  I may have to buy something  to go with it.

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I'm looking forward to trying these too (hint hint, Phil), but I'm immediately somewhat skeptical of the length decision.  A 184 is the longest?  On an advanced men's ski?  Even without considering the rocker, that seems wrong.

 

Reading the specs almost made me regret picking up the MX88s, but only almost.  I figure the combination of the W112RP and MX88 will provide more of a range in my quiver than the W112RP and W99s would.

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I'm pretty excited to try these out, but they clash with my ski outfit.  I may have to buy something  to go with it.

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you just made my morning!  

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Those sounds pretty interesting and possibly the perfect daily driver for out west.  I would love to give both these and the Cassiars a try.  That might be the perfect 3 ski quiver.  biggrin.gif

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A 184 is the longest?  On an advanced men's ski? 


j- don't worry, there is a 192cm in the works for fall 2012 release :D

 

 

 

 

 

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Very interesting for the east coast skiers...

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That's more like it!

 

EDIT: first review, courtesy of Blister

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A few weeks ago, I filled out the "ski finder" form on the DPS website to get some input on model recommendations.  I had multiple e-mail and phone correspondences with their Direct Sales Manager ... I was really impressed with his service-oriented attitude and the time he dedicated to answering my questions!  He mentioned that this ski (Wailer 99) was coming, gave me a description and indicated it might be a good match for my ski preferences and VT skiing.  I am looking forward to trying the ski ... if their product is as good as their service attitude, it should be a no-brainer!!

 

BTW, also wanted to mention how helpful Eric from ExoticSkis was in helping me with information about skis from some of the smaller independent brands!

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Is this going to be the perfect East Coast tourer?

 

-Smarty


Edited by Smartyiak - 11/10/11 at 10:16am
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Marshal - what are your thoughts on using this for a touring ski?  (Tahoe & Colorado)

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@jayT:  due to the rocker profile in the shovel, this ski will float really about as well as any ~100mm waist ski possibly can, but with less rise in the tail rocker to engage as much skin as possible and make ski-mountaineering manuevers (sinking tail to belay, etc) easier, while maintaining a smooth off-edge feel when you need it.  

 

frankly, i think the ski will be equally suited for comp-style charging hard-pack, bush-wacking for powder or big line ski mountaineering and touring.  from there, it is a matter of matching the construction of ski to your skiing style.  

 

of course i am biased, because i had a decent role in designing the thing, but i am very pleased with the outcome, on a personal level, and am rather optimistic that further reviews will mirror blister's positive first look.  

 

i am VERY excited to hear how SJ and phil stack it up when compared to the big-boys, as i know they will not pull any punches if it is not up to snuff.  

 

 

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  the rocker works the same in relation to the termination of the effective edge, but there is very minimal additional rise after this,

 

 



Not sure I understood what you meant right there^.


 

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I'm pretty excited to try these out, but they clash with my ski outfit.  I may have to buy something  to go with it.

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You really need to manage the ski/boot colour transition better.    The proper bindings might help.

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You really need to manage the ski/boot colour transition better.    The proper bindings might help.



One of the subtle benefits of a Spademan. 

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you just made my morning!  



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That's more like it!

 

EDIT: first review, courtesy of Blister



 



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Blister review is up.

TheDad beat you too it!

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Editing an older post is just plain dirty pool. wink.gif
 

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TheDad beat you too it!

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Not sure I understood what you meant right there^.

 


 

it is DPS' belief that the reason the wailer 112 carves as well as it does is due to the interplay between the rocker, sidecut and flex pattern (this is what the nebulous Paddle-tech refers to... it looks like a paddle sorta). the wailer 99 shares this same geometry at the tip and tail - obviously tweaked to optimize for different taper angles associated with different sidecuts.  the point is that the wailer 112 has a pronounced secondary kick in the tail after the end of the effective edge, to make the ski more loose and surfy in soft snow.  the wailer 99 is basically flat after the end of the effective edge, to make it a little more stable on firmer snow.  

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I'm pretty excited to try these out, but they clash with my ski outfit.  I may have to buy something  to go with it.

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Do I have to post up the 4FRNT Gr8ful deadbolts again?  Those go with anything...and everything.

 

-Smarty

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Hey, guys, sign me up for the demo, will you?  Just looking at the specs, my first impression is that this could be a Salomon BBR for the advanced/expert skier.   I am certainly interested how it would stack to a Bonafide (although with the new pair of Bones sitting in the garage I am committed for this season).  My worry would be how the big rockered and early tapered shovel on the W99 behaves on rough crunchy 5-day old Tahoe snow.  But DPS managed to surprise me (and convert me) on their first try with the 112RP, so I won't make any conclusions before a demo.   Marshall-  looks like you have to sent at least a couple of demo pairs to the Starthaus, right? 

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For all those interested, this is one of the more exciting developments for the 12-13 season. We have been in discussion with Marshall in following their development of this ski for some months. So far, we have been really pleased by the tactics of their development. We will have one at the world famous Start Haus for the early season and we will be doing some head to head comparisons against some of the other key players in this mix. The Star Haus test team (ya'll....mostly.... know who you are) will be part of a very thorough wring out of this new ski.

 

The 95-100mm group is the most competitive on the market as it is chock full of winners. While Phil and I both own and love Bonafides, we both readily admit that there are at least 6-8 other skis in this range that we'd be equally happy to own in the anchor position of our respective quivers. The new Wailer 99 will compete against the best of the best over a long haul and we are sure it will shine. There will be a few other 12-13's in our test quiver this fall (including another promising 98'er) so this promises to be challenging and exciting as we see the continuing developments in this key category.

 

One thing is for sure, this will be a thorough test and not just a quickie review after our first excursion down a WROD on 6" of manmade. Don't expect too much on snow input from us until we have some real coverage and head to head comparisons.

 

SJ

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The next great thing is here!  Poor Blizzard and the FlipCore line.  It was a nice run while it lasted....

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The next great thing is here!  Poor Blizzard and the FlipCore line.  It was a nice run while it lasted....



It is amazing how short our attention span is....SQUIRREL! 

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Back in the day (here he goes) a road cyclist that was not steady and smooth on his bike in a group was called, disparagingly, a SQUIRREL. Is that your reference? curious.

 

I'm not sure that you can truly do a thorough test of the DPS99 without the input of a truly small and light skier.....if-ya-know-what-I-mean.

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Back in the day (here he goes) a road cyclist that was not steady and smooth on his bike in a group was called, disparagingly, a SQUIRREL. Is that your reference? curious.


 

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