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HEAD X-Shape MTX vs HEAD Titan

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Thread Starter 

Anyone skied both?  I'm leaning toward to the Titan (strong New York/Maine skier) but then I look at how much cheaper the X-Shape is.  Thoughts?

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X shape? I havea 177 cm Titan, need to go see what the X- Shape is. I am not familar with that ski.

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X shape? I havea 177 cm Titan, need to go see what the X- Shape is. I am not familar with that ski.

post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 

Eh the more I look into it, the less I like it.  I think it's going to end up being an internal battle for me between a new HEAD Titan and a used Kastle RX.

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RaceDude may not be interested in a response anymore but I am.  From the literature I've read it looks like the MTX is just the Titan without KERS.  Is this correct?  Seems like a large price drop but then KERS might be more complex/expensive than I think it is.

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Originally Posted by TMoritz View Post

 From the literature I've read it looks like the MTX is just the Titan without KERS.  Is this correct?  Seems like a large price drop but then KERS might be more complex/expensive than I think it is.

It's a different ski.

 

The dimensions of the Head X skis are;

X-Shape MTX: 125-72-109 @170, radius 12.9 @170, lengths 149/156/163/170/177, sandwich construction w/ Intelligence
X-Shape STX: 124-68-108@170, radius 12.1 @170, lengths 149/156/163/170/177, sandwich construction w/ Intelligence
 

 

The Titan has a waist of 77 and a turning radius in the 13's.

 

The MTX would be closer to the pre-KERS  Supershape Magnum, the STX closer to the original Supershape. I've not skied any of them but as a Supershape user, I'm thinking they have to be very similar to the reviews of those now discontinued skis and excellent carvers.

 

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I didn't know anybody was carrying Head carving series skis and don't know anything about the MTX . Have to check it out. I have a 177 cm Titan I bought off the demo rack last spring at Vail I just looked at it and its 129- 79-115 dimensions. Has the KERS.

 

Have a 170 cm Head SS Speed . Dimensions are 115 - 68-100. When I first skied the Titans I thought they were alot more ski the the Speeds and not nearly as quick.  Skied them for 4 days last week at Vail from hard and scratchy to almost a foot of powder and loved them . Even some moderate bumps.  I'm 6 ft 170 lbs, and probably the 170 cm in the Titan would have been fine, maybe even better for me. But I wanted something a litthe longer than the SS Speeds I had. But the Titan is more ski and could be skied shorter.

 

They are heavy with the plate and mine probably weigh more with the rental binding adding additional weight. Consider the source, I like carving skis and that's pretty much what I always end up with and I'm happy. I'm not sure I have noticed a meaningful difference with the KERS.

 

Dawg catching has a new pair of Head Magnum 177 cm he's selling on the forum at a great price. I don't think you can find a better price value if you like Head carving skis.

 

When we went over to Beaver Creek for the WC we saw a good number of Euros on Heads. Saw the orange GTO Head ski a couple guys had that were visiting for the race. Probably can't even buy that ski here in the US. I'm biased about Head equipment, I've always liked the brand. To keep skiing it in carving models might prove difficult down the road.

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The MTX would be closer to the pre-KERS  Supershape Magnum, the STX closer to the original Supershape. I've not skied any of them but as a Supershape user, I'm thinking they have to be very similar to the reviews of those now discontinued skis and excellent carvers.

 


 

Haven't skied the X-shapes. Main difference is they have less metal than the red supershape and the magnum supershape that they are loosely patterned after and have no KERS.  Their target speed range sweet spot is lower than the supershapes.

 

For any east coasters interested in demoing, Forerunner Ski Shop at Killington is carrying the both Supershape Titan and the X-shape STX this year, but has quit carrying the classic red supershape (there's only US source this season.)

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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
 When I first skied the Titans I thought they were alot more ski the the Speeds and not nearly as quick.  Skied them for 4 days last week at Vail from hard and scratchy to almost a foot of powder and loved them .skiing it in carving models might prove difficult down the road.


Roundturns,

You were on the Titan's the day we skied Vail juring last year's gathering. Man, that was was one hard, scratchy, overcast day of skiing. Vail at it's worst. Segbrown took us all over the mountain looking for something decent to ski. I just broke the Gathering promise of not talking about that day.

 

Head's US marketing strategy, that has all but abandoned carvers, continues to make me wonder. I can only presume that sales of carving skis are lower than present east coast snow levels. The classic Supershape had a great run and was versatile over a range of speeds and skier skills. For an eastern daily driver, at least in the more southern areas, it does all I ask to carve hard snow with good stability. Mine had a delamination last year that was repaired and I keep hoping those skis will carry on for a little while longer.

 

Dogs Magnums are a great deal for the right buyer as they are 177's. Street price of X's with bindings at $700 is attractive.

 

Here's to Head carving skis, and, those that love 'em.

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I was able to buy the Titans for $450 at Ski Haus Vail's rental rack and the guy told me they had only been out a hand full of times all year. Nobody wants to ski this type of ski anymore apparently.

 

Unfortunately there won't be newer models to be had "cheap" this year! After watching my buddy get set up in the Fischer Vacumns , I have something new to "jones" over and unfortunatley there will be no deals on these boots, if you're even lucky enough to find your shell size in the model you want.

 

I was the only bidder two years ago on my Raptors new in the box, $100!

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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post

Nobody wants to ski this type of ski anymore apparently

Depends on location I guess. Down here in New Zealand we are a season ahead of you in skis i.e we get the skis you have for sale now 6 months earlier, and the majority of skis here for sale were under 90mm waists still. Just suits our conditions.

Even so with the acceptance of quivers as starting to be standard i'm surprised even over there that skis like the Titan aren't still popular for when it hasn't snowed in a couple of days. Last year was probably a freak year in that it did snow frequently and heavy, but for the rest of the time a ski like the Titan rocks. I can't get the same feeling out of any of the bigger waisted skis that I can get on the Titan when I can feel the ground and i've tried a few that rate on here as carvers too. i.e 2012 Mantra, Rossi E88's aren't able to do what the 2012 Titan does for me. Obviously 1 ski quiver wise it's a bit too narrow for most people, I have an S3 too for skiing in NA when it snows a lot by the way. Could even be that no one wants skis with standard camber now as that's so 2010 too? Personally I think rocker is a waste of time on a front side ski but that's just me.

Guess you need to be on 85mm+ and rockered to be able to ski good these days or at least cover 80% of the bases without needing 2 skis and that's probably why.

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by snala View Post

 Just suits our conditions.

 

Suits the overwhelming majority of ski conditions in the USA too, but physical and psychological / marketing reality are often separate, disconnected universes.  It's a free world ... suum cuique.

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Suits the overwhelming majority of ski conditions in the USA too, but physical and psychological / marketing reality are often separate, disconnected universes.  It's a free world ... suum cuique.


 

So long as the Jones's can't ski too fast and the sheeplike hordes can keep up. wink.gif

post #14 of 15

The X Shape line is being marketted in Canada as an affordable alternative to the much pricier Supershape series.  For an intermediate - Advanced skier the X Shape is a nice ski.  For the more advanced and strong skier you will need the much beefier Supershape series.

 

I tried the MTX last season and it is a nice ski to use and a lot of fun.  I prefer it greatly to the Icon series and it pretty much fills a gap between the Supershape and Icon series for those who like a technical ski.  With a Magnum retailing here for approx $1100 (MSRP) the X Shape is a nice ski for a shop to carry at a more budget friendly price.

 

Last year I skied both the SS Magnum and X Shape MTX and liked both but preferred the Magnum.  For a lighter skier perhaps the X Shape will be more than enough ski though.

 

Hope this helps

 

Mike

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Can you elaborate further on the comparison with the icon?  Are you referring to the icon 80 / 800 laminate construction ski or the cap ski icon models?  How is the icon positioned in Canadian shops compared to the X-shape and Supershape lines?

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