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post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
I have proform available for Head Tyrolia Wintersports. Ski, boots and bindings as well as snowboards, boots and bindings. Here how it work.

IF you are qualify for the proform, I will send you a user name and password and you can order on www.head.com website for the skiing products or the www.ridehead.com for the snowboarding products. To qualify, you need to be currently employed by a ski area or have a position in the ski business.

It is secure because you are ordering directly from the company. You do not send me any money. The user name and password expire after one use.

I advertise this because some area in the West do not have a Head rep so now they can get in touch with me to get Head products.

[ November 26, 2003, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: Frenchie ]
post #2 of 43
Frenchie,

Way to go!!!! I am already on Pro Form with Head and have my ID and Password. The System is great and works!!! I ordered on-line and it took a week to appear at my door.

I suggest that if you qualify take Frenchie up on his offer. It is headache free ProForms.

Ed

PS. I'll be riding XRC i.13 in 165cm this year for out east and wither Head Moster Cross 85's or the iM 75's for out west.

Ed

[ November 17, 2003, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: PowDigger ]
post #3 of 43
I just wished they offered a different program for Head shop employees. We here at the shop use the same system as is used for the pro from (comes to 20% off of wholesale). That is a very poor discount for shop employees when compared to the other brands we carry (those prices are more like 40-50% off of wholesale for shop employees). As a result, I won't be skiing Head this year, even though I want to. I can't afford it!
post #4 of 43
nord,

First you questioned the fact that Fischer might not know I was helping a retailer sell skis below M.A.P. They do. Remember....we never advertised a price.

Now you're on a pro-form audit/crusade/purge

I bet no one could pick there nose in your second grade class without the teacher knowing.

P.S. I had a little gas in church yesterday but don't say a word to anyone.

P.P.S. Let em sell a few pairs of skis because selling Head skis to pros is tantamount to selling sand to Saudis.

[ November 24, 2003, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: Rusty Guy ]
post #5 of 43
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Rusty Guy:
nord,

P.P.S. Let em sell a few pairs of skis because selling Head skis to pros is tantamount to selling sand to Saudis.
That was funny

The fact that there is a huge number of Canadian ski instructors (including an unusual numbers of demo team members) that ski on them must be a bad sign. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #6 of 43
sukutto
There are different pro-form and shop form prices on the website. You will only see the prices that apply to you. Your username determines which prices you see.
Also your profile says you're an engineer. You should be able to pay retail for skis!

Frenchie
How do you get approval for getting a pro-form. What documentation do you require? Can my friends that have maintained their PSIA full certs but haven't taught in 10 years get a pro-form from you. How about my friend who has been a race coach since the seventies (after he quit the Pro tour) but has never gotten a coachs or instructors certificate, can he get a pro-form. Posting this notice just seems like the wrong way to get the pro-forms out.

PS
Sukutto which head shop do you work in? I may be looking for a new Bong. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #7 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by Frenchie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rusty Guy:
nord,

P.P.S. Let em sell a few pairs of skis because selling Head skis to pros is tantamount to selling sand to Saudis.
That was funny

The fact that there is a huge number of Canadian ski instructors (including an unusual numbers of demo team members) that ski on them must be a bad sign. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
</font>[/quote]They're Canadians... they don't count!
post #8 of 43
I agree with nord. Proforms/shop forms are indeed a privilege and one that comes with responsibilities

These responsibilities include respecting the retailer/manufacturer relationship. It's common knowledge that proform prices are not ideally public knowledge. Frenchie, I know you stated clearly that it is a deal for pros, but posting this on a public forum is at the very least irresponsible to some degree.

Frenchie, are you new to the role of rep or whatever position it is you have? It seems like you are just a bit eager to put it out there that you can provide this deal. It makes you seem like a noob (abbr. for newbie). The west has plenty of Head reps who offer the same deal.

Every decade or so proforms get clamped down on and become hard to get because people get too loose with 'em, getting their friend stuff etc. eventually the word gets to retailers who raise a stink with manufacturers who HAVE to have that retail relationship intact. Some retailers are more sensitive than others. I have seen some smaller population area retailers threaten to stop carrying some manufacturers product(s). Then all proforms in the area had to be handled through the retailer who added percentages and fees etc. equalling a very poor deal for those of use who have to buy gear to make a living.

So respect the proform. the proform could be much harder to come by. And Frenchie. Even though this post is simply opinion, it is come to through experience as a proform user, rep, and manufacturer 'ambassador'. Maybe you should check with whomever your regional rep is to see if this is an ideal situation for peddling forms.

[ November 27, 2003, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Roto ]
post #9 of 43
Most, if not all Patrollers and Ski Instructors already know where they can get what they need. I really don't think that it is necessary to advertise that here. If you simply said that you were a HEAD product rep and if anyone needed information they could contact you, that probably would have been enough. People who were interested in the HEAD product line would or could be told to PM you. If they then qualified, you could give then the needed information.
OH, BTW-HEAD does not offer the best in this category! If you really love head, then go ahead, otherwise look at other offers that are out there.

[ November 28, 2003, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: skierteach ]
post #10 of 43
Sorry, but I just can’t see Frenchie’s announcement as any sort of breach of etiquette, let alone infraction of the rules, breach of contract with the company he reps for, etc..

As in most every other field of business, anybody who has been around skiing knows that special prices are available to people in the trade. Thus, Frenchie’s announcement that these programs exist is certainly not news. He didn’t quote any prices, so there was no violation of confidentiality from that angle, and finally, he clearly stressed (ie, note the prominent uppercase “IF” that he used) that applicants would have to qualify to get these deals. Again, this is not exactly news to anyone, and to me, suggests strongly against any possible bending-of-the-rules type of hanky-panky. About the only possible objection that I can see to his announcement might be from Head reps in other geographic areas since Frenchie’s announcement was effectively world-wide, and thus might conceivably take away some of their business.

Personally, I am very favorably disposed towards reps like Frenchie, Rusty, MntLion (from Powder) and Inspector Gadget.

They participate fully in the discussions; when appropriate, they supply in-depth product information; they don’t spam the forum; seemingly are prompt and ethical in their dealings, and, from everything I have heard, clearly give people good prices as well as lots of off-line help in making their decisions. I would much prefer to send business their way rather than give it to some local rep I don’t have any knowledge of, or history with. I’m happy to see pro deal announcements like Frenchies on Epic, even though at the present time I’m not qualified to take advantage of them and have to sit on the sidelines and quietly sulk and drool.

Tom / PM
post #11 of 43
Well said Tom! I'll second that motion. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #12 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by PhysicsMan:
. . . even though at the present time I’m not qualified to take advantage of them and have to sit on the sidelines and quietly sulk and drool.

Tom / PM
Thanks Tom, feel my hug. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #13 of 43
Quote:
Originally posted by Inspector Gadget:
Thanks Tom, feel my hug.
EEK!!! : Nothing against you, buddy, but all in all, I'd *really* prefer it if you'd hold the hug and just send skis instead.

Whaddya mean, I don't qualify? My brother-in-law's third cousin was a liftie about 20 years ago.

[img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Tom / PM
post #14 of 43
Thread Starter 
Wow! Some people had a bad thanksgiving dinner! What was on the air on Thursday! I was enjoying myself this weekend and I did not check Epic since today. I answered Nord question in private but I feel the need to answer this one publicly.

This is my second year as a mountain rep and I had offer to rep with at least two other manufacturers, one being one of the biggest brand. I chose Head because they were not represented by anyone in a wide area and I liked their products. I also chose Head because some other companies were controlled by a greedy local shop owner that was making it very difficult for LEGITIMATE qualify ski staff to get any products and services at an affordable price and a friendly attitude. It is in fact another shop owner that recommended me to call the main area rep. I refer on a regular basis to this shop owner and maintain a very good relationship with him. This shop is in the bay area and is very friendly and service oriented.

The Head reps do not run across ski area like some others ski companys reps. At my small ski area, there was no Head, Nordica, Dynastar, Stockli, Fisher reps and more. That was leaving only 3 choices. I had a few instructors send me PM because they want access to Head but did not want what the ski school director try to push on them. I had a person PM me from small ski shop because they do not find the local rep. I called the shop and verify if that person was an employee and he was. So, he got the proform. I got other PM from people that are working at ski area but could not locate a Head rep. Yes, there are people that do not find a rep! I am serving a useful function to those peoples. I am not sending out Proform in industrial quantity either. Just 3 up to now to qualify buyers.

Head/Tyrolia is pretty tight with their proform policies and compare very well to other ski company. Also, shop do not carry ski company according to their proform policy. As an example, at the local hill that I used to teach, they did not want to carry Head products but did carry one of the top 3 meanwhile they knew well that the local rep was selling to everybody in town. They made the company aware of it to no avail. The brand in question is so big that shop could not afford to not carry it. Head/Tyrolia is not in this situation so they have a tighter policy.

Pro form are no secret in any sport including skiing. The public is very well aware of it and has no problem to see the pro getting a better deal. I did not post any price or info that can be susceptible to irritate shop owner. I did post the way to proceed because it makes it safe for people that do not know me.

I know that a few rep, no matter which company they are from, are not visible enough or service oriented enough to provide a good service. I also know that some shop are not offering any good services to ski instructors. Do you think any ski instructor would prefer to contact me, a guy on the internet instead of a real person they have a good relationship with if they could ?

Thanks for the advice and I could certainly benefit from other people experience. I did talk to the regional rep about it and refer him some case that I did not know if they qualify.

If anybody want to discuss that issue further feel free to send me a PM and I will answer you promptly. I feel that the PM is more appropriate to talk freely about those matters. Especially about shop policy and brands. If you feel so strongly about secrecy of the proform matter you should understand this as well.

Thanks to everybody for your supports and good words.
post #15 of 43
when you say rep, i'm guessing in the states that means VIP or ambassador? not the actul sales rep who relies on retail sales to make money, and gets nothing for proform sales?
post #16 of 43
Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to your question, and FWIW, I haven't seen pcaron (Frenchie), Carvemeister, I Gadget, Nord, Roto, or several of the other participants in this thread around very much this summer, so don't be surprised if you don't get an answer from them. Don't forget, the last post in this thread (before yours) was November 2003.

Good luck,

Tom / PM
post #17 of 43
Besides, what difference does it make? If one qualifies for pro form, one is unlikely to buy retail. Frenchie simply made his brand more widely available by posting on a forum with a high concentration of professionals.
post #18 of 43
sorry, from my angle a regional VIP got hold of the passwords to HEADs proform and decided to spread the wealth. not taking into consideration other retail/VIP/ambassador relationships and certainly taking advantage of HEADs pro form program by doing so. i am not familiar with the system in the states but one guy/girl like that in a town or at a hill can screw it up for pros/staff/retailers/sales reps/manufacturers and even consumers. the pro form should be sacred and used accordingly. imho
post #19 of 43

what a joke

the vast majority of ski "pro's" dont really qualify for pro deals, end of story. how many full time instructors you got at your local hill? how many pimply faced 17 year old full time pro's do you know? it's a load of crap...everyone gets a deal and the shops get screwed. most vip's for the majority of companies are weekend warriors who don't do a damn thing but parade around as the on hill rep/big shot. there are some people who help promote but they are few and far between. as far as i'm concerened the only direct sale deals should be shop employee,legitimate full-time instructors and patrol...let all those other pro's (city folks with the weekend house, the benz and the six figure jobs buy their stuff at retail...how many of those doctors,dentists,lawyers,business people, etc. would give you 30-40% off of anything? not a friggin one.)
post #20 of 43
what he said...
post #21 of 43
I'm with waxman and logruve on this one.

I think that stores should give pro deals, but to people who make a difference. Prove to me why I should give you a deal and if it is a good reason I will, regardless if you a weekend person, patroler, full time ski instructor, or ski bum. You scratch my back .........
Just cuz you have a level 2 or patrol that doesn't make you promote my store or product, and if you aren;t promoting the product why should I give you a deal ?
pro deals are privalage, not a right
post #22 of 43
I guess I feel obliged to answer a few questions.

I "pro rep" for Fischer and for Marker. I'm a f.t. ski school employee, have worked for Fischer for four seasons and worked for a different company prior to that.

I differentiate between rep and "pro rep". The rep is the sales guy for the region.

On paper I am supposed to sell to only full time employees of the mountain. I am allowed a little discretion. How do I feel about selling to the part-time instructor in the Suburban. I guess the deal is simple. Fischer wants the public to see as many ski instructors as possible on their equipment.

The "deal" I get varys (sp?) by year. If I do well I get more free stuff. This is due to the generosity of the Fischer rep. He will set up sales contests or will entertaintain a sales quota with me. Last year we did a deal involving retail sales as well as pro sales. I had to take a certain number of retail customers into a local shop and put them on Fischer gear. As a result at season end I had a credit for another free pair of skis which I simply sold and pocketed the cash.

It is great for me. Both T.J. Larson with Fischer and Rick Foster with Marker are good friends and high quality guys. Rick on occasion gets a little worried about the situation with integrated bindings. To TJ's immense credit, there is no pressure on me to push the Tyroloia/Fischer binding. I ski Marker and sell it to my customers.

These companies give me a jacket for my days off as well as pants,hats,gloves,goggles, etc. They also take care of my kid.

Do I make a pile of money? No! I get a thirty dollar or so commission off a pair of skis and ten for bindings. I would guess I average getting two or three pairs of skis per annum, a pair of boots, a pair of bindings, and my commissions will be about a thousand dollars.

I manage to always be near the top of the heap in sales each year and average selling about thirty pairs of skis. I have to go up against reps at resorts that are much larger. I remain competitive by doing something somewhat unique. I finance 90% of my sales.

If I see a pro on a pair of crummy skis or on a pair of skis from another company I get them on a demo and if there is any interest get them a pair of skis and tell them to see me on payday. I've yet to lose a dime.
post #23 of 43
Logruve,

You may not like the idea but think about this.

When an examiner or clinician comes to our place they are amazed by what they see......FISCHER/MARKER!

I blow the other companies out of the water with my numbers.

When you see my regular students what do you see? FISCHER/MARKER!

You may not like it but the folks at corporate headquarters like the numbers and like what they see on the hill!
post #24 of 43

great!!

i think it's great if you promote your product...an ambassador or vip or whatever is an extention of the in-house sales force and your job is help drive sales. ultimately the shops will say screw fischer because at the end of the year, everyone on the hill will be on them and the shops will still have a wall full of them. all so you can make a few hundred bucks, get some free gear and be the hill rep. most companies have re-thought this method and you' see some sweeping changes coming. it backwards ass thinking and serves only you on the front side.
post #25 of 43
the best(smartest reps) dont put so much weight in the on hill guys. corporate doesnt think THAT highly of the on-hill program. as a rep would you rather have a bunch of guys selling a few skis at every hill and piss off the dealer who'll buy 100,000-200,00 worth or sell the dealer who supports you? the smart guys go with the dealer those are the guys that make 300,000. the other guys pay their bills and make a few bucks but will never-ever figure it out.
post #26 of 43
it looks to me like rusty guy is actually taking customers to the store? holy crap! send a letter to the CSIA and whatever the US version is, because that is what should happen. a pro rep/vip/ambassador/athlete gets stuff at discount so they sell the product they get. it makes total sense but most of the above are to cool to do any sales, i had a guy say once "it should be enough that I'm on the stuff..." great, while your dreaming would you like a pony?
post #27 of 43
logruve,

I think the Fischer folks would love to find an individual shop that would buy $200,000 worth of skis. I think you need a reality check.

Fischer wants to put professionals on their product in the off chance it will influence the buying decision of individual skiers.

Yes Waxman.....I take a lot of my customers into local shops and put them on Fischer/Marker product. I call it "value add".
post #28 of 43
if they dont have any dealers spending/buying that much then they are worse off than everyone thinks they are. the company i work for has several single store accounts that buy in excess of that amount. not to mention the multi store dealers. you are the one in need of the reality check. i'd bet my bottom dollar that you sold more skis to pro's than you did to some shmuck that took a lesson from you.
post #29 of 43
Sure please send me some proforms I will pass them around I am sure there is all ready a head rep on the hill somewhere...I am looking to get the other side of the mountain recongnized as well the guys that keep the mountain running....mountain crew lift mechanics and the like.

JL
post #30 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by logruve
the best(smartest reps) dont put so much weight in the on hill guys. corporate doesnt think THAT highly of the on-hill program. as a rep would you rather have a bunch of guys selling a few skis at every hill and piss off the dealer who'll buy 100,000-200,00 worth or sell the dealer who supports you? the smart guys go with the dealer those are the guys that make 300,000. the other guys pay their bills and make a few bucks but will never-ever figure it out.
Just to throw out a slightly different perspective, logrove, I'm personally very pleased that there are a number of "on-hill guys" here at Jackson Hole. Being strong, serious skiers, they often bring in some kinds of skis that the shops won't even carry.

Here at JH, if a ski isn't 85mm or wider underfoot, most of the market won't buy them. Therefore, the shops seldom stock short carving skis, jibbing skis, race skis, or even what few remaining "long" skis are still out there in the market. The shops carry and demo short to mediium-length mid-fat and fat skis almost exclusively.

Personally, I'm not a fan of fat and mid-fat skis. I love race skis and carving slaloms, but I couldn't demo one from any of the shops here in JH to save my life. Our "on-hill guys", on the other hand, like to experiement with specialized skis like that and will often have a pair or two to try.

I'm not going to lose too much sleep over the sad plight of the shops. Those same shops aren't losing *any* sleep over whether or not I have as wide a choice of demos as I would like.

Bob
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