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Blizzard Bonafide or Blizzard Bushwacker???

post #1 of 16
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Wondering which skis to get for the 2012 season...its between two of blizzards new freeride series...bonafide or bushwacker. Wanting the ski that fits me as a skier; I am 5-10 and weigh about 180 pounds. I am an intermediate skier and ski almost exclusivly in Colorado over winter and spring break. I ski about 90-95% of all runs in the resorts I go to, (mainly summit country but recently decided to branch out to places like steamboat and telluride.) Skis I have owned in the past were Atomic Snoops (168cm) and Volkl Gotamas (170cm). I liked the Atomics a bit more mainly because of the lighter weight but also because I think the Volkls were a bit too wide underfoot for my skill set. As far as the Blizzard skis are concerned wondering which model is the best for my skill set? Looking for a one ski quiver. Also I believe that the Bonafide has titanium in the sidewall construction and the Bushwacker does not. Does this effect durability? Trying to get correct sizes as well. Recently read a tread that says 166cm is to small for someone my size. Is this true? I am not growing anymore. Final question concerning Look Pivot 14 bindings. Also recently read that because of the low stand height of this binding it has the tendency to disengage boot when mounted to a twin rocker ski like the blizzards. True? False? Thanks for your help and happy skiing...

post #2 of 16

Welcome to Epic. Suggest you check the Gear Review Forum, lots on both skis. Or do a search for each by name. Both are great skis, but they ski very differently, somewhat different missions. As far as your other questions, yes 166 is waay too short for someone your size, and no, the Look does not have issues about disengagement. (Unclear why stand height would affect release unless you're talking about boot-out. Or why double rockers - these are very low rockers BTW - would be particularly impacted.) It's a solid binding. 

post #3 of 16
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sry new to ski jargon...wht is boot out? and yes i think that is what im talking about

post #4 of 16
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also my question about both skis in question mainly revolves around this...which ski best suits: trees...bowls...groomers...minor jumps...and me as an intermediate skier? I want a ski that can handle when it dumps a foot but isnt neccisarity powder oriented...as i ski alot of resort groomers...also a ski w a shorter turn would suit me well...that all being said i assume everyone is going to suggest the 173cm length...

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Originally Posted by skiguy202 View Post

also my question about both skis in question mainly revolves around this...which ski best suits: trees...bowls...groomers...minor jumps...and me as an intermediate skier? I want a ski that can handle when it dumps a foot but isnt neccisarity powder oriented...as i ski alot of resort groomers...also a ski w a shorter turn would suit me well...that all being said i assume everyone is going to suggest the 173cm length...



honestly either is going to git your needs just in different ways.

 

first any ski can handle a foot of fresh, but out of these 2 the Bonafide will do it better

 

The bushwacker has shorter turn radius and it also flexes softer.

 

If you become a 5 percent I could easily see having boot out issue with the P14s on the bushwacker. I own the Bushwackers and took the P14s binding off of it, because I was booting out every run on them on hardsnow.

 

With out seeing you ski there is no way I can really recommend which one, so just pick one and go with it.

post #6 of 16

It sounds like you did not like the goatamas because of the width. The bonafide is very similar in width to the goats. I'd reccomend the bushwhackers. I have no sakiied them, but just based on what you have said. You will find them more managable. My guess is that you're an intermediate skiier who doesn't have great edge control. The goat should've skiied just fine. Go with the bush, and go a little longer. If you do both width and length at the same time, it'll be too much for you...

 

That's what she said.

 

good luck

 

mid 170s bush is what i'd do.

 

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by skiguy202 View Post

also my question about both skis in question mainly revolves around this...which ski best suits: trees...bowls...groomers...minor jumps...and me as an intermediate skier? that all being said i assume everyone is going to suggest the 173cm length...

Then you have your answer, the Bushwacker. It's better in trees, in bumps, and on groomers than the Bone, lighter and more nimble. Its (modestly) lower speed limit and stability in crud won't much affect you if you're an intermediate, and you don't seem concerned so much about powder. And the 173, yep. I weigh less than you and I really liked the 180. 

 

As far as boot out, it's when you get your edges so far over that the side of your boot makes contact with the snow, can produce various oddities including having the binding release. Can also describe parts of the binding hitting the snow, less common. Typically a problem in very narrow skis (think 63-68 mm) when parts of the boot can actually extend beyond the width of the ski. OTOH, I do not agree with BWPA about you being a candidate. He routinely cranks his skis way over, so even a 88 mm with a Pivot could be a boot out candidate. You do not. If you're worried, just get another binding. If you already own Look Pivots (not an issue for PX models), put a low carving plate on then ski, then the binding. 
 

 

post #8 of 16
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thanks for the help and quick response definatly been super helpful...

post #9 of 16
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It sounds like you did not like the goatamas because of the width. The bonafide is very similar in width to the goats. I'd reccomend the bushwhackers. I have no sakiied them, but just based on what you have said. You will find them more managable. My guess is that you're an intermediate skiier who doesn't have great edge control. The goat should've skiied just fine. Go with the bush, and go a little longer. If you do both width and length at the same time, it'll be too much for you...

 

That's what she said.

 

good luck

 

mid 170s bush is what i'd do.

 


FWIW, the Bonafide is more forgiving and turns easier than the gotama.

 

IMHO the Bonafide makes a great all mountain ski especially for someone who's traveling and wants something that will cover changing weather .

 

 

 

post #10 of 16
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awesome...question about boot out...i have freakishly wide feet and surefoot boots because of my feet...110 mm width shell on my boots... they literally stuck out over my volkl gotamas....should I be concerned about boot out w a narrower ski?

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by skiguy202 View Post

awesome...question about boot out...i have freakishly wide feet and surefoot boots because of my feet...110 mm width shell on my boots... they literally stuck out over my volkl gotamas....should I be concerned about boot out w a narrower ski?


yes, but adding lift will alleviate this.

 

post #12 of 16
Do any of the dealers here have the small posters that Blizzard has out showing the other skis from their competition in comparison? I saw it at a local dealer. And stood there looking at it in awe. This is a very bold move by them. If you do, could you post it? I think others would like to see it. It will save me saying I'm from Occupy Woodland Hills and taking it. (Just kidding.) Thank you . biggrin.gif
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Do any of the dealers here have the small posters that Blizzard has out showing the other skis from their competition in comparison? I saw it at a local dealer. And stood there looking at it in awe. This is a very bold move by them. If you do, could you post it? I think others would like to see it. It will save me saying I'm from Occupy Woodland Hills and taking it. (Just kidding.) Thank you . biggrin.gif


what does the poster say?

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Originally Posted by skimalibu View Post

Do any of the dealers here have the small posters that Blizzard has out showing the other skis from their competition in comparison? I saw it at a local dealer. And stood there looking at it in awe. This is a very bold move by them. If you do, could you post it? I think others would like to see it. It will save me saying I'm from Occupy Woodland Hills and taking it. (Just kidding.) Thank you . biggrin.gif

It doesn't "say" anything. It's a comparison chart. It lists the blizzard skis and then lists the competitors skis in a similar waist width. It just gives specs. There are no statements about Blizzard skis or any of the other skis. It's just a reference point for shop kids. There is nothing bold about it. The other side of the comparison chart does the same for Tecnica. It's bern done for 3 or 4 years.
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It doesn't "say" anything. It's a comparison chart. It lists the blizzard skis and then lists the competitors skis in a similar waist width. It just gives specs. There are no statements about Blizzard skis or any of the other skis. It's just a reference point for shop kids. There is nothing bold about it. The other side of the comparison chart does the same for Tecnica. It's bern done for 3 or 4 years.


 Great I didn't know of or see it out in the open before. I haven't seen to many companies that point out their compition's models. Sort of a "Try their skis." We think you'll come back to us in the end of your search, for your next pair. The confidence in that is bold. Maybe not to you, which is fine. I'm just not as jaded.

post #16 of 16
It is a piece meant for shop employees and is usually in the backshop. If you want one I have plenty.
Edited by wasatchback - 11/18/11 at 10:07pm
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