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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

You know what is really sad, this post is #3 when googling for: "look PX binding"

 

There's enough solid info in this thread to make that almost a wash.    

 

 

I really do wish Metaphor_ had come back and described his accident, in a separate thread. 

post #32 of 42

Evo outlet has PX12 wides for $130 through tomorrow....

post #33 of 42

Haven't heard any real bad things about the look PX, but I ended up buying the look pivots, they are supposed to be one of the best bindings on the market.  Believe me your knees are worth the extra $$$$$.  Just my 2c

post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Let me restate......your statement is absolutely clueless.

 

Current binding designs do not induce ligament tears. Within the current standards and state of the art, bindings on today's market offer better protection against injuries of all types than at any time in the past. I spent 4 years a binding product manager and have seen bindings from every manufacturer tested at every level including ranges far beyond the standards. You are not qualified to make statements such as you did......I am qualified. What is in poor taste is for someone such as yourself to impugn any binding brand or model without empirical evidence other than you own opinion which in this case is anecdotal at best and clearly not informed on the function and design requirements of modern bindings. Proper customer service does not require that one pay lip service or any respect at all to statements such as yours that are baseless and uninformed.

 

 

SJ

Repeated for clarity. I know something about both Looks and knees. Prefer the Pivot over the PX, but that's splitting hairs; both do their jobs and then some. IMO they're superior to many in terms of elasticity. Which is probably what Metaphor felt - he never states if his PX was calibrated by a tech - and assumed that resistance caused his injury. Wrong; an actual ligament tear tends to occur waaay inside the time our brains can process the sensation of release or elastic resistance. Or feel pain. Shearing may even happen before you've even made serious contact with the snow to fully load the binding. So reconstructing what happened from sensation memory is unreliable. Also, the forces you exert by hand-diddling a binding have virtually nothing to do with the forces operating on your knee or binding at release.

 

Steel, Pivots are great bindings. But their advantages are slight and prolly more to do durability and elastic retention under serious load. Maybe a slightly better angle and release motion relative to protecting the tibia from fracture. But nothing magical about soft tissue. Or a classic diagonal twisting sideways fall that is associated with MCL. 

 

As for MCL's, I ripped mine, along with some other bits, on a Salomon that didn't release, but y'know what, that had nothing to do with the binding design. I don't issue blanket condemnations of Sollies. Unfortunately, some angles just make your knee release before the binding does. Skiing injuries include probability statements, just like the rest of life, regardless of how careful we are. th_dunno-1[1].gif


Edited by beyond - 11/27/12 at 9:49am
post #35 of 42
I am very happy with my fks 185 's and px 15's. So much that I recently picked up some px18's XXL's. I have never come out of any of them when I didn't want to, but did the one time I needed them to. Opinions are great, but associating a particular product with knee injuries without sufficient ( or correct) evidence is sketch. Many uninformed or prospective skiers might be turned away from a product they might really enjoy.
post #36 of 42

Look's retention saved my butt today. Ripping Sibo face mach looney one ski blasted into a rut and should have exploded off, but it didn't, and gave me time to one ski it out of trouble. 

post #37 of 42

like I said just my 2c, if its me I would spend the extra $$$ and get the best, splitting hairs or not, its just $100.00 versus injury, and at my age (50) I don't heal up as quick or as well as I did when I was 18
 

post #38 of 42
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Originally Posted by Steel View Post

like I said just my 2c, if its me I would spend the extra $$$ and get the best, splitting hairs or not, its just $100.00 versus injury, and at my age (50) I don't heal up as quick or as well as I did when I was 18
 


very true, but it's not that simple. in the Look line, for example, the same toe piece is used in the Pivot and the PX Race 18.

post #39 of 42

The one really big difference between the px series and pivot / fks plus also the old p series / axial 1 is the very much higher forward pressure that the px series requires when compared to the others.

 

Rossignol claims this higher forward pressure gives better "feel" but i much prefer the looser fks/pivot, they are also much easier to get back on in deep snow than px

 

acl / mcl injury i had 3 years ago was using a px binding, but it was due to the tree stump i hit, not the binding, it did release, but damage was done before, and i don't think any other binding would have done differently, only thing i have noticed is the release on a px is not as "gentle" or soft as as pivot / fks.

post #40 of 42
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Originally Posted by carroz View Post

The one really big difference between the px series and pivot / fks plus also the old p series / axial 1 is the very much higher forward pressure that the px series requires when compared to the others.

 

Rossignol claims this higher forward pressure gives better "feel" but i much prefer the looser fks/pivot, they are also much easier to get back on in deep snow than px

 

acl / mcl injury i had 3 years ago was using a px binding, but it was due to the tree stump i hit, not the binding, it did release, but damage was done before, and i don't think any other binding would have done differently, only thing i have noticed is the release on a px is not as "gentle" or soft as as pivot / fks.


Can the same toe could be used with two heels of very different forward pressure? Isn't the forward pressure affecting toepiece action most?

 

Mentioning the Rossi Brand on the Look binding is just adding confusion.

 

not doubting, just curious.

post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post


Can the same toe could be used with two heels of very different forward pressure? Isn't the forward pressure affecting toepiece action most?

 

Mentioning the Rossi Brand on the Look binding is just adding confusion.

 

not doubting, just curious.

Furthering the confussion Add Dynastar to the Look Binding list.

post #42 of 42

No confusion, dynastar /look px and rossi axial 2 are the same binding, just different badge, same with look pivot and rossignol fks, also look p series and rossi axial 1 all just rebadging

 

when they came out with the increased forward pressure on the px and axial 2 it was claimed they had beefed up the toe piece over the old axial and p series. Design of the toe appears to be the same.

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