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Moment Bibby Pro vs DPS 112RP Hybrid

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

So I've decided on either getting the Moment Bibby Pros 184 or the DPS Wailer 112RP Hybrid 190 or 184. This is going to be a one ski quiver used around the Big White, Silverstar area (around Kelowna, BC), in off piste environments as much as possible, but I also want to have good groomer performance (the best I can get for this size of ski, anyway) for maybe doing some terrain park, and groomers when there is no other choice. I am a high intermediate to advanced skier. Could someone compare these skis for me. From what I've gathered from reading reviews, the DPS will probably perform better on hard pack, an the Moments probably on soft snow, but I couldn't really find in direct comparisons. So, if anyone has any input, that would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Sigurd

post #2 of 12

I have skied both and they are completely different beasts. DPS carves very well on hardpack and I would venture to say that the ice grip is among the best for heavily rockered skis with 110+ waist. It is to stiff and hooky to be much fun in the park. The Bibby Pro on the other hand has much more of a centered jib-ski feel to it. If you like "slashy" skis with poor back-end grip that favours twirling in the park it is a good choice. 

 

Personally I would go with the DPS Wailer.

post #3 of 12

I has a couple of runs on the Bibby and I has a full day on DPS.  In my experience, the DPS is a much more sophisticated ski, the Bibby felt wide and stiff, raw power without much finesse or grace.  Bibby felt like a monster truck, and Wailer like a sports sedan.  If you just charge the slope with abandon, the Bibby will probably have more top end, in all other situations I would prefer the Wailer.  I believe Bibby has a much straighter sidecut that may contribute to the feel some.  Wailer is pretty curvy.   No 110+ ski will perform great on hard pack. 

post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies and really good unput. Exactly what I was thinking. What size Wailers were you guys using? I still need to figure out what size I need. So, for versatality, the DPS wins.

Please keep the info coming, I'm still deciding between the two, though I am leaning towards the DPSs. Also, is the DPS hooky at all in powder?

 

Thanks,

 

Sigurd

post #5 of 12

I was testing the 190 in DPS, didn't feel long at all.  I didn't notice the hookiness in powder, but they are VERY nimble even in 190, so if you are looking for a freight-train-like point-it ski, look elsewhere.  

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

I has a couple of runs on the Bibby and I has a full day on DPS.  In my experience, the DPS is a much more sophisticated ski, the Bibby felt wide and stiff, raw power without much finesse or grace.  Bibby felt like a monster truck, and Wailer like a sports sedan.  If you just charge the slope with abandon, the Bibby will probably have more top end, in all other situations I would prefer the Wailer.  I believe Bibby has a much straighter sidecut that may contribute to the feel some.  Wailer is pretty curvy.   No 110+ ski will perform great on hard pack. 



^^ this. The Bibby is a charger. It wants to haul ass and bust through any snow you encounter. The wailer is much more versatile. Go with the DPS.

 

post #7 of 12

Moment engineers and designers will love hearing the description: "charger". their answer to everything has been: "stiffer". I'm not sure their concepts are valid. If they can just make a stiff plank and have skiers attribute charger characteristics to it, they have gotten lucky, IMO. go DPS for more sophistication. 

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^^ this. The Bibby is a charger. It wants to haul ass and bust through any snow you encounter. The wailer is much more versatile. Go with the DPS.

 



Sorry, but this is completely wrong. If you think that the Bibby Pro is a charger you can't have ridden any real charger skis or? With real chargers I mean skis like: Völkl Katana, Stöckli Stormrider Pro, Nordica Girish etc etc. Hell the DPS Wailer charges better than the Bibby which IMO is a soft ski with a fairly soft tail that wants to wash out alá 99% of your average park ski.

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Maybe if you mount at recomended, i mounted 3 cm behind recomended and it was in my opinion an even better charger than the Katana, which i have skied, and blew away the DPS when going fast. I didn't wash out once on the Bibby, and i'm 215 pounds. 

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Sorry, but this is completely wrong. If you think that the Bibby Pro is a charger you can't have ridden any real charger skis or? With real chargers I mean skis like: Völkl Katana, Stöckli Stormrider Pro, Nordica Girish etc etc. Hell the DPS Wailer charges better than the Bibby which IMO is a soft ski with a fairly soft tail that wants to wash out alá 99% of your average park ski.



 

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Also i've skiied stormrider, and i won't argue, it is a better charging ski, i'm just saying that the Bibby is a pretty damn good charging ski and is no question better than the DPS at it.

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Sorry, but this is completely wrong. If you think that the Bibby Pro is a charger you can't have ridden any real charger skis or? With real chargers I mean skis like: Völkl Katana, Stöckli Stormrider Pro, Nordica Girish etc etc. Hell the DPS Wailer charges better than the Bibby which IMO is a soft ski with a fairly soft tail that wants to wash out alá 99% of your average park ski.



 

post #11 of 12

slight digression, but I think the OP already bought his skis, so no harm no foul. you're an articulate guy, please expand on comparing the Stormrider's to the Moments especially subtle things like the feel of the ski. I ride the Stormrider so it will be informative for me. Interesting comparison because Stockli is a small (compared to say Fisher)  but established manufacturer, whereas Moment is a small but new manufacturer.
 

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Also i've skiied stormrider, and i won't argue, it is a better charging ski, i'm just saying that the Bibby is a pretty damn good charging ski and is no question better than the DPS at it.



 



 

 

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Well the Bibby is certainly softer than the Stormrider. But with the Bibby's rocker i didn't notice any of the bumps that i felt on the stormrider. It just plowed through everything. Very confidence inpsiring at speed. But the stockli i had to ski much more focused. It bumped me around a bit more, but when going mach 4 it felt much more stable on edge. I guess you could say that the bibby is a better charging ski when going in a straight line with no intentions to turn, but if turns are needed (which alot of the time they are) i'd rather ski the Stormrider. So i would call the Stockli a better charging ski for most people. I have no problem going in a straight line though, so that might be why my opinion of the ski differs from gzon's. If you attempt to put the Bibby on edge when hauling ass, it gets a bit scary.

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slight digression, but I think the OP already bought his skis, so no harm no foul. you're an articulate guy, please expand on comparing the Stormrider's to the Moments especially subtle things like the feel of the ski. I ride the Stormrider so it will be informative for me. Interesting comparison because Stockli is a small (compared to say Fisher)  but established manufacturer, whereas Moment is a small but new manufacturer.
 



 

 



 

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