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Armada JJ...can it compare to a camber Dynastar Sultan 85 mm for the East Coast on non icy soft snow days?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hi Everyone

 

I too lament in even asking such a silly question but anyhow apologize in advance for perhaps a very lame saga to follow....I own my 85 mm waist 2010 Sultans and love them....However I am starting to do several West trips a year and skied these last year at Snowbird/Alta and had a great day in 18 inches of pow with my Sultans. Well I live in Northern NJ and while its usually one giant slip and slide to Hunter during the week for midweek skiing,the snow accumulations seem to be rising so I am not shy to go toward a wider rocker (JJ with a tight turn radius) for those mid week runs to Hunter and more importantly those out West trips that seem to be increasing in frequency. I also have some Killington/Stowe trips planned. To round out my quiver, I also have some Cross Contact TIs  (Dynastar) for bombing groomers which I will keep since they are pretty versatile out here. So I have been tinkering with a 3rd quiver for deeper pow and a rocker to round out the two Dynastar's I own. I thought about the DBS Wailer 112, the Armada JJ and also the Maestro Bluehouse if I want to do it less expensively. I think that Maestros are the odd man out since I want a better ski out there and not have worry about another ski change in a year or so!!? I love quick turns for the woods etc so and with the JJS the turn radius seems on par with the Sultans so that tells me more diversity in this ski...I sense the JJ will compliment and be a more playful ski similar to the Sultans anyhow. Worse case I keep all three or ditch the Sultans? My question is for the folks who have tested or own the JJs moving from a mid 80 waist ski and some thoughts to this..Thanks for the patience once again....

post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by chuckl View Post

Hi Everyone

 

I too lament in even asking such a silly question but anyhow apologize in advance for perhaps a very lame saga to follow....I own my 85 mm waist 2010 Sultans and love them....However I am starting to do several West trips a year and skied these last year at Snowbird/Alta and had a great day in 18 inches of pow with my Sultans. Well I live in Northern NJ and while its usually one giant slip and slide to Hunter during the week for midweek skiing,the snow accumulations seem to be rising so I am not shy to go toward a wider rocker (JJ with a tight turn radius) for those mid week runs to Hunter and more importantly those out West trips that seem to be increasing in frequency. I also have some Killington/Stowe trips planned. To round out my quiver, I also have some Cross Contact TIs  (Dynastar) for bombing groomers which I will keep since they are pretty versatile out here. So I have been tinkering with a 3rd quiver for deeper pow and a rocker to round out the two Dynastar's I own. I thought about the DBS Wailer 112, the Armada JJ and also the Maestro Bluehouse if I want to do it less expensively. I think that Maestros are the odd man out since I want a better ski out there and not have worry about another ski change in a year or so!!? I love quick turns for the woods etc so and with the JJS the turn radius seems on par with the Sultans so that tells me more diversity in this ski...I sense the JJ will compliment and be a more playful ski similar to the Sultans anyhow. Worse case I keep all three or ditch the Sultans? My question is for the folks who have tested or own the JJs moving from a mid 80 waist ski and some thoughts to this..Thanks for the patience once again....



It cannt in fact none of your skis can compare to it. It really doesnt matter a ski that is going to be better in powder is not going to be as good in packed powder.

 

With that said I do not think it your skis. Why not the TST?

post #3 of 26

Agreed^^ TST

post #4 of 26

As I read it the OP is talking about maybe replacing the Sultan, or maybe extending to a 3 ski quiver, no?  A Contact Cross Ti, a Sultan 85 and an Armada JJ (or a Wailer 112, or any other rockered 110-115cm ski) would be a fantastic 3 ski quiver, so let's clarify the point.

 

Chuckl, are you looking for advice about replacing the Sultans, or adding a third ski to your collection?  You seem to be on the fence about this point, and it will make a world of difference to the advice you might receive. 

 

Buying a third ski like the JJ would make perfect sense.  Whether a JJ (or similar) can replace a Sultan is another question entirely.  I know very little about five point / fun shape / rockered 110-115cm skis, and have never been on one, so I'll step back here and leave it to more knowledgeable folk.

 

Good luck.

 

post #5 of 26

I don't think a ski like the RP112 replaces a ski like the Sultan 85 in a quiver. If you really don't need a sultan then it should be ok. RP112 and Sultan 85 are totally different skis.

post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks Everyone...Indeed I know its not a replacement and primarily adding a 3rd quiver is where I am going with this. I will demo the TST, JJ, and if possible the Wailer to get a sense for that more powder centric ski. Appreciate the feedback.

post #7 of 26

the tst is not a powder-centric ski. It's more in line with a Blizz' One or Ross S3 or maybe even a Sickle. DPS may be announcing soon a ski that will fit that slot as well. I think you are concerned with the width going from a 85 to a 110 ski?  In the conditions where the 110 ski excels, it will blow away the 85.  Right ski for right conditions. 

post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

the tst is not a powder-centric ski. It's more in line with a Blizz' One or Ross S3 or maybe even a Sickle. DPS may be announcing soon a ski that will fit that slot as well. I think you are concerned with the width going from a 85 to a 110 ski?  In the conditions where the 110 ski excels, it will blow away the 85.  Right ski for right conditions. 


Finndog,  if he has the Sultan 85, then the next size up in my opinion could be the TST at 102 underfoot in a 183. For a lighter guy, I think the 183 will have pretty decent float, especially compared to the Sultan 85.

 

post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks again...I was thinking about the 183 TST actually and never thought of myself as light.....too funny....of course this then plays into perhaps checking out the Cochise to demo that too to gauge both....saw the post already comparing the two and if I can would love to jump on both......heading to Breckenridge at the end of the month so if there are any shops out there that demo either one or better yet both it would be great to know...and finally I know these are not perhaps the best questions for this posting thread (apologies) but I have some business in Colorado springs and seeing the map I sense the Breckenridge would be the closest in regards to miles/time to get there? hope they bang out some snow by then....

post #10 of 26

Chuck, you didn't tell us your weight and height, so I threw the if he is light comment out there. Give us a clue and you may get better suggestionswink.gif

post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 

I thought I did but anyhow 5' 7'' 190 lbs...like to think athletic build...but my wife may have a different opinion....thanks again

post #12 of 26

Agree with all so far about the original issue; you need an everyday all mountain ski you like, and it can't be replaced by a pow or big mountain rig. Would also suggest that it's more useful to think in terms of a ski's mission, in terms of design, than its width. There are plenty of skis out there in the 105-115 range that are big mountain, crush the civilians sticks, and plenty that are pure powder tools. There are fun shapes and there are traditional shapes. Another issue is feel. The JJ's and 112's - which are pretty different skis, actually, nevertheless will both feel light and lively, maybe even nervous, compared to your damp smooth Dynastars. Is that a desired thing, or do you seek a familial relationship? In which case Dynastar makes some nice fatter rockered skis. 

post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 

I thought about the pro riders....huge rocker etc....i guess after the various epic discussions indeed a 100mm waist ski would be the best all mountain logical choice knowing that I still ski primarily on the east coast....that has me thinking more versatility for the next ski in the quiver....but I am not married to the dynastars and when you see the interesting commentary on the TSTs /Cochise makes me think these are absolutely worth a spin....and comparing to the rider in the 100mm....for now I am thinking that the 112/JJ etc will be another ski to explore down the road....I know a 100 waist will be fabulous in powder anyhow

post #14 of 26

FWIW I've skied the TST 4 or 5 times this year at Abasin. Been packed powder, crud, corn and even a little ice so it's basically like the east coast. Ski is amazing. Doesn't chatter, holds an edge, extremely light. Hoping to get in a little bit of fresh stuff this weekend where I'm sure it'll excel. It does ski a little short because of the early rise tip. I have the 192s and am happy but i'm 6'2" 220.

post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 

much appreciated....love the lightness and quick turn radius as these are my top choice on paper....would love to have had these at abasin when I was there last yr.....rented some ks amp rictors which were fine but really damp feeling....thanks again for the info

post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by chuckl View Post

I thought about the pro riders....huge rocker etc....i guess after the various epic discussions indeed a 100mm waist ski would be the best all mountain logical choice knowing that I still ski primarily on the east coast....that has me thinking more versatility for the next ski in the quiver....but I am not married to the dynastars and when you see the interesting commentary on the TSTs /Cochise makes me think these are absolutely worth a spin....and comparing to the rider in the 100mm....for now I am thinking that the 112/JJ etc will be another ski to explore down the road....I know a 100 waist will be fabulous in powder anyhow


Skis like the huge and Pro Rider do not have much place in the east. These skis need room to run on open slopes and low skier density freeride terrain. If you are buying for trips west, and want a charger they are good choices. Given the great variety of options there are sure to be something more in the middle or towards the funshape side of the spectrum that work well both east and west.

 

post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post


Skis like the huge and Pro Rider do not have much place in the east. These skis need room to run on open slopes and low skier density freeride terrain. If you are buying for trips west, and want a charger they are good choices. Given the great variety of options there are sure to be something more in the middle or towards the funshape side of the spectrum that work well both east and west.

 



Huge Rocker rock back east, Pro Riders not so much.

post #18 of 26


a slight scarve away from the OP, the TST is a new shape for that tweener' 98ish ski- I think the S3 started it but the TST is a multi-dimesional ski historically found on pow boards, adapted to scale and for intended use but why not bring it to any soft snow application (maybe even a groomer ski?) DPS will be launching it's version later this season; maybe a mid-season release? Marshal; you lurking?

 

back to the regularly scheduled program....
 

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Originally Posted by nobueno View Post

FWIW I've skied the TST 4 or 5 times this year at Abasin. Been packed powder, crud, corn and even a little ice so it's basically like the east coast. Ski is amazing. Doesn't chatter, holds an edge, extremely light. Hoping to get in a little bit of fresh stuff this weekend where I'm sure it'll excel. It does ski a little short because of the early rise tip. I have the 192s and am happy but i'm 6'2" 220.



 

post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 

I jumped in and bought the TSTs in 183 cm...I am heading to Colorado in three weeks so Santa came early this year....I went to a few local shops and chatted it up about the 100 waist and this ski for the East primarily and concluded there was no time like the present.....so my quiver is set at 72 cross contacts, my 85 mm sultans and now this baby.......I may be selling the sultans but they are hard to part with too so for now...its a ski love fest.....will let you know how much I am certain I will love them after my trip...I thank you all for the help and insight as I am very good with my decision.....

post #20 of 26

nothing like new gear to get you pumped up for the season, Prop them up in the family room so you can stare at them every day.  Good luck and make sure you post up your reviews.  Cheers

post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks and will do....46 years old and checking off the days from the Fed Ex guys delivery! Will definately post a review

post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 

So the skis arrived today and they look and feel OUTSTANDING.....I already booked a trip to Colorado in two weeks (quasi business) and then the week after in Montana  (Bridger Bowl...no business...just a business loss....no wait, its skiing...a huge gain!) and then to MN for actual work....the new tsts need to take a road trip too....I thought about selling the Sultans which are 172 cm but hard to part with these. so for now, three ski quiver....cross contacts, sultans and now the tsts....I like...thanks again for all the insight

post #23 of 26



Right on! Rip it up.

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Originally Posted by chuckl View Post

So the skis arrived today and they look and feel OUTSTANDING.....I already booked a trip to Colorado in two weeks (quasi business) and then the week after in Montana  (Bridger Bowl...no business...just a business loss....no wait, its skiing...a huge gain!) and then to MN for actual work....the new tsts need to take a road trip too....I thought about selling the Sultans which are 172 cm but hard to part with these. so for now, three ski quiver....cross contacts, sultans and now the tsts....I like...thanks again for all the insight



 

post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hi Everyone

So after picking up my newly mounted griffons on my new armada  tsts /183s my buddy at my local ski shop says...those tsts? whats up with the die cut on the armada lettering inlay on the base of the ski ? Not totally smooth.....I went from a huge smile to ...holy s***...then I thought about it.....it cant really affect the speed or way I ski....I also thought that continued wax must build up within die cut area anyhow  would smooth it out etc....Then he goes onto say he saw such an inlay fall out on a snowboard once......i could not help laughing my ass off and and then I realize these guys mounted my bindings!?? Anyhow I am not even going to ask if i should worry about this...I will be in Killington within a week, heading to COL the week after Thanksgiving, to Stowe and then to Big Sky MT....Our parting commentary was he had seen the die cuts fall out on snowboards....Ready to leave NJ now....

 

CL

 

post #25 of 26

Sheeeez, don't worry, be happy.  I have never seen something like that fall out on a pair of skis.  He is just messin with ya or totally jealous of your sic new TST's.

post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 

Extremely happy as I am trying to head up to Killington tomorrow to play around a bit....smile.gif

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