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post #91 of 126

Got my Medusa mittens earlier today - liner's gotta go. These were definitely not made with low temperatures in mind. Trying to decide now if I would prefer buying a separate liner or simply return these mittens and buy Hestra's from backcountry...

 

On the other hand. Bazuka gloves are awesome. They seem to be compatible in warmth to my Swany X-Cell II Gloves. Not sure if I would buy them at their original $185 price tag, but at $70 it's a very good deal IMO. Funny, I got them just to compare to my Swany's and to increase my order so I can get a $20 discount for my next purchase, but now I'm more inclined to keep these, rather then Medusa mittens that I really wanted...

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post #92 of 126
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I can tell you the Bazooka are really sweet. I used Nik-wax on them to help break in and soften (not that they are stiff). I wanted them for the padded back side for trees and after skiing with them for a few days I really liked the way they perform.  

 

Mittens: see my post above, I will use the Hestra primaloft liners, you will find these uber warm!  You may have to buy these direct from Hestra but they are awesome.  Extremely warm and comfortable without the excessive bulk. I used these in my lobster claws and loved them in sub zero temps up to the mid-teens. As much as I love my hestra lobsters (3 finger) they can't match the water-proofness or the breathability of the OutDry material. I would think of going this route ( of course, I would since its what I am doing... biggrin.gif)
 

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Got my Medusa mittens earlier today - liner's gotta go. These were definitely not made with low temperatures in mind. Trying to decide now if I would prefer buying a separate liner or simply return these mittens and buy Hestra's from backcountry...

 

On the other hand. Bazuka gloves are awesome. They seem to be compatible in warmth to my Swany X-Cell II Gloves. Not sure if I would buy them at their original $185 price tag, but at $70 it's a very good deal IMO. Funny, I got them just to compare to my Swany's and to increase my order so I can get a $20 discount for my next purchase, but now I'm more inclined to keep these, rather then Medusa mittens that I really wanted...



 

post #93 of 126

Since we are technically reviewing here - Medusa Mittens retail for $150, Primalofts for another $65 - total of $225. That's twice the price Hestra Heli mittens. Would you rate Medusa/Primaloft combo as twice better mitten then Hestra Heli's?

 

Any places that might sell Primalofts with a discount? I'm amazed that these are not being sold by backcountry...

post #94 of 126
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Originally Posted by mx22 View Post

Got my Medusa mittens earlier today - liner's gotta go. These were definitely not made with low temperatures in mind. Trying to decide now if I would prefer buying a separate liner or simply return these mittens and buy Hestra's from backcountry...

 

I wore my Medusa mitts for the first time yesterday. I also didn't like the liner that came with them, so I just used my Power Stretch liners (many companies make Polartec PowerStretch glove liners -- I highly recommend them). It wasn't a super cold day, but the mittens ended up being much warmer than I had suspected. I had to leave the gauntlet open all day to let the heat out. I was quite surprised. Even in relatively warm weather I tend to get cold hands.

 

Before actually wearing them (and being concerned about the stock liner), I had done some research on mitten liners and came across the Outdoor Research PL400 mitts. By the description of these mitts, this is what I would have expected to come with the Medusas. You can find the PL400 mitts in a number of places, but Amazon has them at a pretty good price. However, I am not sure I will need something this beefy now.

 

 

post #95 of 126

TSG - thanks, I saw your reply to my other thread yesterday. Planning to make a trip to Whiteface next weekend - I'll most likely hold off on liner purchase until then and see if weather cooperates for my small test.

post #96 of 126
Thread Starter 

full retail is for suckers..........   you don't need the prima's unless you are in very cold conditions and in that case, they are worth every penny! If you spend a lot of time outdoors (doesn't have to be skiing) and value high quality and performance, does it really matter that a glove and liner that will in all likelihood last many years may cost 25-50 more but give you warmth and true h20-proofness? 
 

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Since we are technically reviewing here - Medusa Mittens retail for $150, Primalofts for another $65 - total of $225. That's twice the price Hestra Heli mittens. Would you rate Medusa/Primaloft combo as twice better mitten then Hestra Heli's?

 

Any places that might sell Primalofts with a discount? I'm amazed that these are not being sold by backcountry...



 

post #97 of 126

For anyone looking for liners to go with your MH gloves I recommend the Hestra Polartec Power Dry Waffled.  I also use some Black Diamond liners that I pulled from a pair of Black Diamond gloves I didn't like (the liners were awesome though).

post #98 of 126
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got my Medusa mittens last night. I again, I am very impressed, minimal seams, simple clean design. Nice dexterity. the shell itself is lined with a brushed microfleece lining (same material as used on their shells) so with the stock liners (lobster clawed BTW) these should be quite warm. Every one's perception of "warm" different so you need to add/ lighten as needed. I like the lenght of the guantlet too. I will get a coat of nikwax on them to soften them up even more. If I don't get to ski in them I will def' take on some walks. I bet the regular 5 finger gloves would make a great spring glove used with just the shell.  Too bad those are gone. If anyone sees those in a large, fora bout 50% off , please let me know

post #99 of 126

Here's another sale I found out about a little while ago: Zappos.com has the Bazuka gloves for $144.99, the Medusas Gloves for $119.99, and several other models. Prices not as good as other places, but if you join Zappos VIP you get free overnight shipping both ways, which is worth something. You can order a couple of different sizes to be sure of the fit and return anything at no cost. 

<http://vip.zappos.com/mountain-hardwear-mens-accessories~1>

 

post #100 of 126

I think MH outers with a Hestra Primaloft  inner (and liners optional) would be the ultimate combo.  Expensive but unbeatable.

 

I just picked up a pair of MH Dragon Claw from Sierra for cheap plus an additional 20% off coupon.  Non-removable liners but they feel pretty burly.  Haven't tried them yet, but I suspect they'll be my go-to short glove for temps down to around -5C to-10C  (25F to 15F) at lowest since I tend to get cold fingers on the whole.  Lower than that, out come the Hestra Heli Mitts.  I'm still debating whether to try the Heli Glove; the Gear Whore in me says go for it but Mr. Practical in me says I don't need another pair of gloves.  SIGH.

post #101 of 126

Did my first day in the rain, snow, sleet with the Medusa's. At the end of 4 hours, the outside was soaked, the inside was still dry, with maybe a touch more moisture. IThey continue to dry completely far, far faster than any other glove I've ever owned, and, to my way of thinking, this is proof of the Outdry concept. I don't want to sound like a shill for MH, but, so far, there is nothing to dislike. Time will tell, but, well worth the purchase at the discounted price in September.

post #102 of 126

Based on the good reviews here I just ordered a pair of Medusa gloves.  Found a pretty good price, $90 at http://www.basegear.com/mountain-hardwear-medusa-gloves-f11.html

post #103 of 126

 

I bought the Bazuka from STP when they first appeared for the $64 price - (debated between the Bazuka and the Dragon Claw but the leather percentage won me over).  I've skied two full days in wet conditions one day, and cold and windy conditions in another.

 

Let me start, however, with my my first use when using the snowblower.  It wasn't long before my fingers got cold - I began to doubt the gloves; my Gordini down-filled gloves don't get cold as easily, but I could be wrong - and it wasn't even really that cold either - about 25 degrees.

 

When skiing, however, the Bazuka's were warm throughout - if not a bit too warm.  They ward off the moisture very well, too - the outside brown leather will get 'wet spots' but these dry off quickly and aren't felt inside. 

 

However, just yesterday, I was standing in line waiting for a gondola (the line snaked outside the gondola building) holding my standing skis in one hand, my poles in another, as a storm was beginning to blow rather fierce, nothing worse than it'd been on the chair or while at mach - but the fingers holding the skis began to chill just like with the snowblower - so much so I had to draw the fingers back into the palm to warm them.  The glove holding the poles, however, was just as warm as before.  I checked to see what each was doing respective to the wind, and both hands were exposed the same way.

 

I suspect that the Bazuka's transfer cold from cold surfaces too easily - not that I am concerned, mind you, but it might be a good idea to keep your hands off the chairlift while riding up.

 

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On another note;

 

I regularly buy from STP and have their coupon system completely figured out.  It's useful for me to have heaps of items I might like to buy in my cart and wait for coupons coming in my e-mail.  What's in the cart always reflects the price with the coupon applied (unless it's a one-use) and just applying each coupon and looking at the cart helps one to "scam" how it works.  I purchased my kid's ski jackets from there for a super-low price back in the Fall when they were giving free shipping for orders over $100 - so I bought just about every flavor of jacket they might like/fit in two or more sizes; the total of my orders was quite high - I even re-bought some when I realized a coupon that came later included a jacket I'd bought earlier.  Then I returned everything I didn't want.

 

What STP lets you do is return all orders in a single box (though this is scary - I took pictures and photocopied all the return slips I'd filled out carefully) for a single $5.95 charge.  Because they let you do this, you can get some pretty interesting results if you hit STP's deals at just the right time.  Of all the orders I sent back, I received only a single e-mail confirmation notifying me of the return/refund for just one of the orders - it included the $5.95 return shipping cost.  I got a sick feeling in my stomach, panicked and did an on-line chat with STP - we and went through all the photocopied return slips and confirmed they'd processed a return for each and I was charged only once for the return.  STP hadn't sent me an e-mail for each - sloppy if you ask me - but maybe their system doesn't work as well as it ought to.  Each return was credited separately too, as my credit card statement showed.  

 

But it does lead one to wonder if it's risky to return multiple orders in a single return - they could screw up and "lose" one of the slips and who're you to say they didn't?

 

 

 

post #104 of 126

I've been following this thread with more interest in the Medusas than the Bazukas. I've been using a pair of Grandoe Logan gloves I got last year from STP. For the most part I've been happy with them. The one thing that bugs me is the gauntlets: they have an elastic inner collar which seems to be meant to help seal out the cold. For me, though, the collar always pushes my jacket sleeve up and makes it bunch up outside the gauntlet. I ordered a pair of the Medusas, and I'm really impressed with the gauntlet closure system -- it looks like it will work very well to close the gauntlet around my sleeve without the need for in inner collar. I did find the Medusas seem to run a little small -- something I've seen mentioned in various reviews. I usually take a large but the large seems quite snug, to the point that I'd be concerned both about dexterity and constricting blood flow a bit, causing cold fingers. I ordered a pair of extra large and they fit much more comfortably. I did email MH to ask if the gloves might stretch a bit with use -- they said they would stretch maybe just a little -- they advised that if the fit seemed snug I should go for a larger size. By comparison, the Grandoes -- which as I say I've used for a year -- are a size large and fit more loosely than the brand-new XL Medusas. I think I'll keep the XL's and return the Large. I'm looking forward to trying them out at Stratton next week.

 

I may end up cutting out the inner collar from the Grandoes and using them as backups. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #105 of 126

Just an FYI - Amazon has the MH Bazuka gloves for $89 right now.  It's through an affiliate, but seems to be a great price (and they have larges, unlike STP). 

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002R002QI

post #106 of 126

^^^^^^^^^^^  They're being sold by Mountain Gear.  They're a large and reputable retailer that I have purchased from many times previously.

post #107 of 126

Good to hear - I just ordered a pair!

post #108 of 126

Anyone here tried sno-seal on the Bazuka gloves or other MH leather gloves with outdry?  I know finndog has used nikwax but I already have a jar of sno-seal I use on boots and other leather gloves.  My concern is the outdry is bonded to the leather and could sno-seal affect the bond.  I know with boots, they cannot be re-soled after sno-seal has been used because the adhesive will not adhere to the leather.  If this is a potential issue, I will get some nikwax.

 

Finndog, how did you clean the gloves prior to applying the nikwax?  Also, hows the knee and shoulder?  I am a fellow torn ACLer from Dec. 10, 2011.

post #109 of 126


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I like to have a waterproof glove as much as anyone I guess, but I have to wonder why that's so important for skiing.  99% of the time it's far too cold for liquid water to be my main concern.  The only time it's really an issue for me in Colorado is for Spring and Summer skiing and even then I'm not spending my time building snowmen. rolleyes.gif

 

Maybe there are areas where you end up skiing in the rain sometimes, but that doesn't sound like my idea of fun.

hehe....Noodler clearly you don't ski in the Northeast. We get quite used to skiing in the liquid stuff.  Even last year, which was an incredible snow year, had a fair amount of the r days. It's referred to as "base building" for the spring. Though this year there's not a whole lot of building going on since you need the crystallized version.

 

Anyway, skiing in the r stuff can be quite good, often some of the best snow conditions since it's soft.  As long as it's not pouring...

I've had gloves that end up weighing like 5 lbs soaking.  The old Swany's with membrane used to be good for keeping your hands dry, but the leather/insulation absorbed massive amounts of water.

Fyi, during the ski season, when talking about the weather at ski areas, the liquid that falls from the sky is in the "that which shall not be named" category. It's the 'r' word etc. Superstition I know but we'll take all the help we can get for snow.

 

Bazuka on Amazon:

89.98$  they have sm/med, med, large, xlarge

http://www.amazon.com/Bazuka-Glove-Black-Mountain-Hardwear/dp/B002R002QI/ref=sr_1_1?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1328635507&sr=1-1


 

 

post #110 of 126

I used Hestra Balm on my MH Dragon Claw gloves.  No bad news to report so far.

post #111 of 126

I actually tested my Dragon's Claw gloves at 0* base temp (around -12* wind chill) and they held up pretty well.  I normally wouldn't use these gloves when it's that cold, but I wanted to see how they would fair.

post #112 of 126
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sno-seal is probably not good on those.  I used the nikwax when they were new. you can use a nikwax cleaner that works very well and its easy.    Surgery in March. Shoulder sucks!  biggrin.gif  ankle is still swollen but coming along.
not a lot of fun doing 3 sets of rehab stuff.

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Anyone here tried sno-seal on the Bazuka gloves or other MH leather gloves with outdry?  I know finndog has used nikwax but I already have a jar of sno-seal I use on boots and other leather gloves.  My concern is the outdry is bonded to the leather and could sno-seal affect the bond.  I know with boots, they cannot be re-soled after sno-seal has been used because the adhesive will not adhere to the leather.  If this is a potential issue, I will get some nikwax.

 

Finndog, how did you clean the gloves prior to applying the nikwax?  Also, hows the knee and shoulder?  I am a fellow torn ACLer from Dec. 10, 2011.



 

post #113 of 126

I ordered the Bazukas from amazon. They're not the best looking glove in the barn, but not bad.

If you were to get the Arcteryx SV's,  would you go glove or mitten?

 

Finn, what's up with that bod?? shoulder and ankle and you're thinking of going on the hill?

post #114 of 126
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sno-seal is probably not good on those.


Why is that? What is different about Nikwax's leather protector that is different from Sno-Seal?

 

Here is what Atsko says about Sno-Seal on their website (it sounds like it is designed to not penetrate all the way through the leather to the underlying layers):

 

Sno-Seal Original Beeswax Waterproofing protects leather from rain, sun, snow, and salt. The beeswax formula dries to a solid wax that "stays put" in the surface of the leather so it lasts longer. Our competitors' greases, oil, and animal products are able to migrate through the leather till they clog all the pores. These waterproofing products fill the natural spaces that are supposed to absorb perspiration and insulate. In addition, animal fats weaken and rot leather. The tannery worked hard to remove the fats and preserve the leather, so it's hard to imagine why you'd put it back on. Sno-Seal will help you feel more comfortable in Gore-Tex? fabric lined boots because it allows the Gore-Tex?-absorbed perspiration to escape out of the leather.

 

post #115 of 126

Well that's interesting about the goretex. Haven't used SnoSeal in years. It is basically like waxing. -It's a bit of a heavy hand. On boots where you just want it freakin' water resistant most used not to care. It does make leather darker.

I believe they're comparing it to stuff like neatsfoot oil which everyone used to use for baseball gloves. Or mink oil. Most stuff now has silicone in it.

 

I doubt the Nikwax clogs pores but I really don't know. I won't be using SnoSeal on the gloves, that's for sure.

This is their fabric/leather one

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  • All fabric and leather combination footwear (work, fashion, leisure and sports)
  • Safe to use on footwear with breathable membranes e.g. Gore-Tex, SympaTex, eVENT etc

They say the same for their Leather Wax Liquid. They don't say it for the paste/solid type.

http://www.nikwax.com/en-us/productselector/productselectorV2.php

 

post #116 of 126

Good feedback.  I was leaning that direction and this helps.  Off to REI at lunch to get some nikwax.

post #117 of 126

I called Mountain Hardwear yesterday and told them I had the Mudusa mittens with OutDry and asked what products they recommended using on the leather. The guy immediately said NikWax was good stuff, so I asked which NikWax product specifically. He went to the NikWax website to look at the different products and essentially said their leather-specific products were good. It did not seem like MH has any specific recommendations on leather care.

 

I also asked the MH guy specifically about Sno-Seal and he said it would work but that many people don't like to put "heavier" products on their gloves -- I'm thinking he meant wax-based products (BTW, NikWax also makes a wax-based product).

 

I later checked the Hestra website to see about their Hestra leather balm and the website shows the ingredients -- it is bees wax and a bunch of other stuff, so it is probably like Sno-Seal. Of course, Hestra is not using the OutDry technology, so I don't know if this is relevant to the current conversation.

post #118 of 126

The Hestra Balm is great stuff, especially on black gloves. It makes them nice and shiny and black looking.

  I don't know about the water resistance of it though, my thought is it's really for suppleness and longevity. I suppose it helps though.

 

Sno seal to me is just too waxy for a glove. On boots you usually put it on heavy and it's always waxy and a little gooey.

Yes, Nikwax on their website does not talk about safe for goretex etc. with the wax product, only the liquid one.

post #119 of 126

The Hestra balm doesn't feel waxy or heavy at all.  It may share some similar ingredients, but it also has things like lanolin (I think) and other items that do help with the suppleness of the leather, but also keeping them from drying out and cracking over time, and it does help with water resistance.  They're not truly waterproof like OutDry but I've never had a Hestra glove/mitt wet out.

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The Hestra balm doesn't feel waxy or heavy at all.  It may share some similar ingredients, but it also has things like lanolin (I think) and other items that do help with the suppleness of the leather, but also keeping them from drying out and cracking over time, and it does help with water resistance.  They're not truly waterproof like OutDry but I've never had a Hestra glove/mitt wet out.



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