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post #1 of 24
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Ok, I live in Utah and I ski at Alta very frequently since the beginning of last year.

I will go over each peice of equipment I need or may need. I have a limited budget so I can't be spending a whole lot.

 

Skis: Last Christmas I got Rossignol S7.pro skis which are the junior ones and they are 150cm and 90mm underfoot. I got these skis when I was just getting into powder and later on by March I was doing most of my skiing on powder and off of the groomed runs. I got pretty good last year, I am not throwing 360's yet but I can do some small cliffs and that kinda thing. This year I plan on skiing just as much last year but I have been growing pretty quick. Right now I am about 5'7 135 lbs. I will probably grow as well from now till the end of the season. My question is if these boards will last me at least until April and then i can pick up some demos or something for next season. These skis only have like 3/4 of a season on them so i would hate to have to buy new ones. Also, will the 90mm be enough underfoot to get me through 1 foot plus of powder? I remember last year I had a problem with very deep powder, if I wasn't going fast enough, I felt very unstable and I would go over the bars because my skis were submerged in the powder. This probably also has something to do with skill but what part do my skis play in that?

 

Coat: I saw a nice looking jacket and i measured sleeve and chest and such and it would be big at first but I can grow into it. My old coat would always be soggy and damp on the inside on powder days and got too small. here is the jacket I would like to get: http://www.backcountry.com/salomon-reflex-jacket-mens That is more than I wanted to spend so if you can convince me why it would be better than a cheaper one or a link to a cheaper jacket. I did see this, but wouldn't I have to have an inside liner because isn't it just a shell or is it a complete jacket? http://www.backcountry.com/under-armour-specialty-shell-jacket-mens BTW, I want to wear a jacket that will keep me warm with just a tee shirt on under neath and maybe 2 tee shirts.

 

Goggles: I would like to get new ones, but again I have to keep it cheap. My goggles are from the 80's and are scratched and on those white over cast days I couldn't see the terrain very well and they would fog up. Just not very clear. Are these a good pair? http://www.backcountry.com/giro-signal-goggle Which lens should I get for skiing about half and half sun and snowy days.

 

Gloves: I had plenty of problems with moisture getting in my gloves last year and I just couldn't go when the temps got below 20 degrees which happens alot because my fingers would FREEZE that along with the damp inside of gloves. I want a pair that will allow me to ski in harsh temps. I would rather my hands be hot than cold. I saw these: http://www.backcountry.com/peak-performance-utah-glove Will I need a liner to go with them to keep my digits warm in single digit temps?(haha)

 

 

 

 

Everything else should work, I just want to be comfortable this year skiing

 

Thanks!!

 


Edited by drainbamage - 10/30/11 at 3:35pm

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post #2 of 24
Thread Starter 

Oh and for those who ski Alta, is everything usually skiable right when it opens? they are set for November 18th. I would like to know because I didn't start skiing till December last year and I just skied groomers then. What is the difference from skiing mid November and mid January? I was also thinking about going up there and seeing if anyone built jumps at the base and do that for a bit.

post #3 of 24
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Oh and for those who ski Alta, is everything usually skiable right when it opens? they are set for November 18th. I would like to know because I didn't start skiing till December last year and I just skied groomers then. What is the difference from skiing mid November and mid January? I was also thinking about going up there and seeing if anyone built jumps at the base and do that for a bit.



I don't think any ski area is completley skiable right at opening. Difference = november: few runs open, rocks showing all over the place, January: every run open, solid base.

post #4 of 24

For budget clothing (and goggles), you can always try the classifieds on here.  You can also try SteepandCheap.com and WhiskeyMilitia.com for new stuff.

 

CJ

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For budget clothing (and goggles), you can always try the classifieds on here.  You can also try SteepandCheap.com and WhiskeyMilitia.com for new stuff.

 

CJ



+1 on this. You can get a lot of great deals on those sites. Check Department of Goods, too. I have seen a lot of deals on goggles there. Also, check some reviews here re: weatherproofing, fit, warmth, etc.

 

So, question about the S7s. How long are they?

post #6 of 24

Get gauntlet style gloves, like these http://www.backcountry.com/mountain-hardwear-medusa-glove  They really keep the snow out and the leash that most have make it close to impossible to drop your glove while riding the lift.

 

You didn't mention the most important piece of gear, boots.  Do you have boots that actually fit your feet?

post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 

PonToon, Ok, that's good to know. So the skiing basically sucks at first.

 

CJO, I would like not to deal with buying used and such for small things like goggles. And I would also like to get all my gear from Backcountry because I get free shipping on my order.

 

DSloan, I'll look at some reviews, the skis are 150cm long 90mm wide underfoot. They are the junior model. (I am 5'7 135 lbs. I got them thinking they would be perfect but I recently was curious as to whether they will fit or not.)

 

 

mtcyclist, Those gloves are way more than I plan on spending but if you insist they will be warmer as far as keeping my fingers warm, not just dry I'll look for a cheaper pair of gauntlets. My boots are very snug, i tried them on. I just don't know whether or not they will be too snug and I can't say until I ski on them again It's been 8 months since i have skied (I wonder if I will be super rusty at first????)

 

My main concern right not is a coat, I am pretty interested in two coats but I don't really know about them:

 

UnderArmour: http://www.backcountry.com/under-armour-specialty-shell-jacket-mens when it says it is a shell, does this mean it has little to no insulation? I had a kids Spider coat last year that was too small but I just wore a tee shirt under neath and was warm most days. I would like a coat that I could do the same

 

Salomon: http://www.backcountry.com/salomon-reflex-jacket-mens This one looks pretty solid. this one looks like it has insulation.

 

 

Which one would be warmer of the two?

 

as far as pants go, I thought these looked like a good deal: http://www.backcountry.com/under-armour-flow-field-pant-mens But agaain, I don't know if I need layers with these, last year I wore just shorts. I'll read some reviews too.

 

post #8 of 24

 

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PonToon, Ok, that's good to know. So the skiing basically sucks at first.

 


He didn't say it sucks, he just said not everything is covered, filled in, or open.  That's definitely not the same thing.  Early season conditions can sometimes be superb even if not everything is open yet.  In addition, if you're still primarily on the groomers like last year, then it really doesn't affect you as much.  In general, once the groomers are open, they're open.  It's the off trail stuff that takes longer to get good coverage.

 

 

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My main concern right not is a coat, I am pretty interested in two coats but I don't really know about them:

 

UnderArmour: http://www.backcountry.com/under-armour-specialty-shell-jacket-mens when it says it is a shell, does this mean it has little to no insulation? I had a kids Spider coat last year that was too small but I just wore a tee shirt under neath and was warm most days. I would like a coat that I could do the same

 

Salomon: http://www.backcountry.com/salomon-reflex-jacket-mens This one looks pretty solid. this one looks like it has insulation.

 

Which one would be warmer of the two?

 


Yes, a shell such as the UnderArmour one above is not insulated at all.  I think you'll find that in the long run, an uninsulated shell is actually a much more versatile type of jacket.  You can layer under it when it's cold out, or wear less under it when it's warm, and therefore wear it in a much wider range of temperatures and be comfortable.  However, if you're still growing (sounds like that's the case), then the insulated jacket might be the more economical choice simply because it requires you to have fewer items that you're only going to grow out of.

 

post #9 of 24

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mtcyclist, Those gloves are way more than I plan on spending but if you insist they will be warmer as far as keeping my fingers warm, not just dry I'll look for a cheaper pair of gauntlets. My boots are very snug, i tried them on. I just don't know whether or not they will be too snug and I can't say until I ski on them again It's been 8 months since i have skied (I wonder if I will be super rusty at first????)

 

 

I wasn't recommending those particular gloves, only that type of glove.  Mountain Hardwear, Hestra, Outdoor Research, Black Diamond, North Face, Marmot and probably several other companies make gauntlet style gloves.  

 

And stop looking only at Backcountry which tends to be expensive.  Try Sierra Trading Post and the sale pages at Altrec.  You might also want to consider becoming a Supporter here which will get you good discounts on Hestra, Helly Hansen and Marker clothes.

 

 


Edited by mtcyclist - 10/31/11 at 9:01pm
post #10 of 24

Since you like yellow jackets, here is a great deal for you on a new jacket that will still leave you with cash for goggles and gloves

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/106008/bonfire-soft-shell-new-with-tags-size-medium-large-less-than-half-price-75-shipped

post #11 of 24

Mittens are warmer than gloves, and usually cheaper.

post #12 of 24

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Mittens are warmer than gloves, and usually cheaper.


Indeed.  Finally talked the wife into trying mittens 'cause she's usually cold.  I don't think she'll ever go back to gloves.

 

post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 

 

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Skis: Last Christmas I got Rossignol S7.pro skis which are the junior ones and they are 160cm long and 90mm underfoot, I bought them with Rossignol bindings that have 100mm wide brakes I got these skis when I was just getting into powder and later on by March I was doing most of my skiing on powder and off of the groomed runs. I got pretty good last year, I am not throwing 360's yet but I can do some small cliffs and that kinda thing. This year I plan on skiing just as much last year but I have been growing pretty quick. Right now I am about 5'7 135 lbs. I will probably grow as well from now till the end of the season. My question is if these boards will last me at least until April and then i can pick up some demos or something for next season. These skis only have like 3/4 of a season on them so i would hate to have to buy new ones. Also, will the 90mm be enough underfoot to get me through 1 foot plus of powder? I remember last year I had a problem with very deep powder, if I wasn't going fast enough, I felt very unstable and I would go over the bars because my skis were submerged in the powder. This probably also has something to do with skill but what part do my skis play in that?

 

 

So, do you think these will work for this season? I plan on skiing mostly powder where I can and I don't know if these will be too short to not give me stability in those sketchy run-outs on the landings of jumps. Oh and if they don't, could I use my bindings I have now on wider skis like 105+ or will they not work? I might sell my skis with bindings as a package if you insist these ones won't work this year.

 

EDIT: Sorry they are 160cm.


Edited by drainbamage - 11/1/11 at 7:22pm
post #14 of 24

These will probably be a bit short for you by the end of the season if they aren't already. When you get into deep powder, you might find that the tips sink due to the length.

 

As for the bindings, someone else can speak more knowledgeably about what will work and what won't. However, I think you can make your present bindings work by bending the brakes.

post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 

Yeah and I want to get more into jumps and stuff. I can basically only 180 now but I will learn to 360 and then maybe cork later on. I am not exactly thinking about new skis now, I need to stay focused on getting the right gear.

 

But yeah, don't like the really good skiers get their bindings mounted in like the dead center for riding switch and all that?

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But yeah, don't like the really good skiers get their bindings mounted in like the dead center for riding switch and all that?



That's something you'll have to play around with and figure out what works for you. That's what the really good skiers do. However, you can certainly look up some threads on riding switch and binding mount positions.

post #17 of 24
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CJO, I would like not to deal with buying used and such for small things like goggles. And I would also like to get all my gear from Backcountry because I get free shipping on my order.

 

 

That's cool.  Just offering options.  Also, SteepandCheap.com and WhiskeyMilitia.com that I referenced are owned by Backcountry.com, but I'm not sure if you would still get your free shipping through them or not.

 

CJ

post #18 of 24

Free shipping is only important if it actually saves you money.  You have to look at the delivered price, not just the price of the item.

post #19 of 24
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Ok, I will probably have to use my skis I have now this year.

 

But one quick question: What is it like after being off the boards for 8 months getting back on the snow? I am afraid I will be terrible for like the first 5 times I go, is this true?

post #20 of 24

Not usually. You have to warm up, but it comes back pretty quickly.

post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 

Ok. And for the skis,

 

Will I need to get them waxed and the edges sharpened? I can't really think of when I would need my skis waxed unless I am trying to go fast on the flat spots and just go faster I guess in powder, but since my skis don't float in powder much anyway that wouldn't really matter. (will I really go that much faster enough to make a difference?) Oh and I also did the finger nial test on my skis and figured out the edges are dull but I am not sure if I should worry about it and how much for sharp edges? because I can carve fine when i am just millin around on groomers.

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bump

post #23 of 24
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bbbuuuuummmmppp???

 

post #24 of 24

It sounds like you're not inclined to tune your own skis.  If that's the case, you should consider an annual pre-season shop tune that includes a base grind, base edge sharpening (usually at 1 degree), side edge sharpening (many do 3 degrees), and basic waxing.  Also, bring your boots and have them service/test the bindings.  Then, see how you like the result.  If you want to worry about bang for the buck, waxing is probably the cheapest and can be repeated throughout the season.  Base grinding will cost more and isn't frequently necessary, maybe not even every year.

 

Skiing powder and soft snow means, in theory, that your edges don't really matter.  My experience with dry fresh powder is that wax makes a difference.  I often bring a paste wax to the slopes for touch-ups.  You could try this as your primary method.

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