Cred/Reputation Points? - Page 2

Some votes have multiple power.  If someone with more than 50 points or a moderator gives you a thumbs up, it counts as 2-points, but one unique point.  I may be missing how some default cred is earned in addition to that given by other members.  I'm still learning too, ya know?

Paradise Lost.

(Now this place will be even more like High School.)

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Originally Posted by jc-ski 

Paradise Lost.

 

(Now this place will be even more like High School.)

Gave you a thumbs up for that so you can get more points too.  

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Originally Posted by Bob Lee 

Let's not overthink this people.  If it were really a serious measure of something important, would I have gotten any score?  I think not.

 

Just have some fun with it.  

So what you're saying is, people with less cred are bad, right?

This cred  thing is very strange. I seem to have very little so it seems I should not bother to offer an opinion here. Who thought of this ?  Very strange. 

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Originally Posted by volantaddict 

So what you're saying is, people with less cred are bad, right?

Not bad so much, as...lesser.

Until today I have seen the thumbs up button as a way to give a private encouragement, as a +1, high 5 etc, sometimes with a comment enclosed. I believed that they'd ( the posters ) be notified in some way.

When I noticed that I somehow had some cred, I understood that there was no notification re this other than in the posts themselves. I don't read my old posts.

If you'd gotten a notification when receiving a thumbs up I could see a point with it, but I find it difficult to see any point with this cred-meter, and why we need it. 

I agree with LiquidFeet that a thumbs up would be better ( and I gave him one for his post, not because his cred rose in my opinion, but because I liked his POV ). Even better if we were notified in private.

If we do like Telerod suggests ( I have read and enjoyed many of his posts ) and divide the number of posts with the cred rating to get a better feel for credibility it would turn out strange, as the lowest number would be the best. This way Nolo, with close to 16k posts and 102 in cred rating, would come out far worse than I, with my 131 posts and 14 in cred rating. That seems very wrong.

I feel that the numbers of posts alone is a good enough indication in it self that the poster is "credible". I trust the moderators to weed out anyone too weird for this community long before they'd reach a high number of posts.

Please remove my subscription, instructor designation,  ambassador tag and member ship. Thanks for so much . It's been fun

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Originally Posted by madMads 

 

If we do like Telerod suggests ( I have read and enjoyed many of his posts ) and divide the number of posts with the cred rating to get a better feel for credibility it would turn out strange, as the lowest number would be the best. This way Nolo, with close to 16k posts and 102 in cred rating, would come out far worse than I, with my 131 posts and 14 in cred rating. That seems very wrong.

 

 

 

Part of the problem is that the thumbs up feature has only been added recently, so some users have thousands of posts, but may have made less posts compared to users with less post counts over the time period  since the thumbs up was added.

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Originally Posted by GarryZ 

Please remove my subscription, instructor designation,  ambassador tag and member ship. Thanks for so much . It's been fun

Over reaction much?

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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl 

Part of the problem is that the thumbs up feature has only been added recently, so some users have thousands of posts, but may have made less posts compared to users with less post counts over the time period  since the thumbs up was added.

But does EpicSki need a popularity contest? 

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Originally Posted by Bob Lee 

Let's not overthink this people.  If it were really a serious measure of something important, would I have gotten any score?  I think not.

 

Just have some fun with it.  

+1

So, I think it's fun. It's a little goofy, but who cares? Aren't we all a little goofy over here on Epic?

The "cred" system is less than a day old.  Give us a chance to work out some bugs.  As far as existing cred scores go, you need to realize that it is the result of a few people that have hit the thumbs up button in the last 10 months when that had no effect on user's score.  Sibhusky has given out nearly 2000 points but has only about 40 to her credit. If the cred system is used by members to acknowledge posts they value, the results will have more meaning.  If nothing else, it quickly indexes posts that have been appreciated in the past.  

Meanwhile, it's been an interesting day.

As a  newbie to the forum ( 4 mo or so... with no cred at all and none deserved), I would suggest that the cred points displayed in posts are most likely to be useful for new readers (subscribers/etc).  As I have scoured the older posts, I have developed a sense of whose opinion I put weight on.  I would assume that the elders in the forum have an even better sense, So..outside of a "look at MY cred points" pissing contest, the only point I can see to putting up numbers is for those (us) new readers, and the only real gage of how useful they are is if they reflect some real world degree of usefulness, mostly to newbies.  Again the more experienced users will already have a good idea who to listen to.   

One reason we turned it on is because we couldn't get feedback on this feature without doing so. Thanks for giving us your feedback and also for giving us a little leeway for a little experimentation.

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Originally Posted by GarryZ 

This cred  thing is very strange. I seem to have very little so it seems I should not bother to offer an opinion here. Who thought of this ?  Very strange. 

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Originally Posted by GarryZ 

Please remove my subscription, instructor designation,  ambassador tag and member ship. Thanks for so much . It's been fun

Whoa, Garry! I believe most of your posts were written before the thumbs up feature was implemented. I think thats why your points are relatively low for someone who always contributes good posts, knowledgeable, insightful, interesting, and or funny. I'm glad to see you're still around. I visit less myself, so pardon me if you've been posting, but I don't recall seeing you around lately. But then I didn't notice Comprex had quit posting until I overheard him talking about it recently. A less recent bump worthy thread on the topic, http://www.epicski.com/t/62042/whats-up-with-comprex

I notice a lot of the thumbs up I recieved are for sarcastic wise cracks I made, so you can bump up your cred by being more of a jerk, if you like. :)

Originally Posted by Xela 

As it looks right now, I get just as much credit for giving a thumbs-up as for getting one.  This does have the advantage of getting more people to use the feature, but will they be very discriminating?  I could pump myself up quite a bit thumbing random old posts.

 

Counting only unique thumbs-up can tend to downplay the importance of some valuable people.  I mean, if Bob Barnes impresses me ten times, he'll get the same credit as someone who made me laugh once.

 

Can someone just list the rules of this credibility game as they stand now?  It would be nice to be able to find them in one place, nice and clearly stated.  Or did I miss it and they are already listed somewhere else?  
 

I asked if there's a tutorial and about the algorithm so we can know how it works. I will report back when I hear anything. 

Thanks.

Keep in mind it is not you as a person that gets a thumbs up from somebody. It is your content. Yes, that does translate to someone having personal credibility, as it should. It's not "graded" on a curve, so IMO my cred has nothing to do with anybody else's. It is just an indicator of the helpful, interesting, motivating or funny posts I have contributed.

What you are seeing now in action is Open Beta. At some point any new feature must be implemented and tweaked live.

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Originally Posted by Cirquerider 

Maybe we can use ski-totes....

That's the ticket... Maybe it could be implemented like Monopoly, where you trade in your houses for hotels.

1 thumbs-up or cred point or whatever gets you an iconized

When you accumulate 5 green circles, you can trade them in for (or automatically get upgraded to) one of these: 

5 blue squares ==

5 black diamonds ==

5 double blacks ==

And so on and so on...until you earn the right to display the ultimate cred icon:

Maybe extra cred for those people who take the time to go beyond "normal" postings by doing things like gear reviews, etc?  Adding to the resource database helps any visitors who come here looking for info on gear, resorts, book reviews, and so forth.  The forums are great for Q&A but doing those extra things might earn extra cred/reward?  Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz 

Well I've got really good cred for some reason, but I too find this to be a poorly thought out thing.
I realize you are trying it out to see how it works and what people think, but I'm sure there are others who are unhappy about it who haven't chimed in. It creates almost a class system and enhances the cliquish nature of things. And I'm certainly not complaining from a personal point of view because I for some reason have suddenly been elevated to a high standing here by my cred rating.
People use post count as a metric which has it's flaws, but at least it's well understood.
If a system wide system is being used to "rate" members, I would think that the rating system should be promoted and encouraged to be used before the results are shown.
Kind of like having a little known voting system utilized by a small percentage of possible voters and not publicized - and then putting those results up for the general public.

What he (she?) said. Just to clarify, I don't mean to bitch about this, it's not about me feeling I've gotten too little cred, more than anything I was surprised to find I had any at all. I just have doubts it will be perceived as it was meant to be. In its current form it's a vague, undefined rating of sorts, maybe therein lie the problems I have with it. Many will see it as a grading of themselves ( I fear ), and it may discourage members from posting. IMO it would better serve its purpose if it was for private viewing only, giving you or me a little stoke without offending others, a personal achievement of sorts.

Personally, I don't care for any kind of online rating of people, but I will remain here no matter the outcome of this. In the greater scheme of things it's not too important ( to me ). Others may see it differently.

Maybe my rantings are because it keeps getting warmer, not colder, where I am, and I feel the downpour is pretty wasted when it comes as rain instead of white, fluffy stuff.  And come it does, bucketloads the last days. If only...

For now I'll  follow Bob Lee's advice and try not to over-think this matter. 

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Originally Posted by madMads 

 

...I don't mean to bitch about this, it's not about me feeling I've gotten too little cred, more than anything I was surprised to find I had any at all.

Me too. I'm an infrequent poster compared to many.  

As a side note, in any rating system like this, I think you have to guard against "cred-flation" where the creds eventually become meaningless. I mean, look at eBay. If I pay you on time for the ski tote that I  just bought from you -- which arrived on time, came with one scratch, just as advertised -- do I really deserve a measly A++++++++ feedback rating? Why not A++++++++++++++++++++++++++?

This is a silly idea. I thought this was a forum for adults.

I think it's actually useful for people to see who they're getting advice from.  Someone who has posted things that received a lot of thumbs up is typically a good indicator.

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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl 

Over reaction much?

Straws can make or break camel backs.