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post #1 of 14
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Here is the video of Kalle Palander's crash in the second run at Soelden.

 

http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=c8e962e4-c307-4827-9962-0617723014a0.html#soelden+palander+crashes+gs

 

He has a broken ACL and torn meniscus. So...would a longer radius ski have made his crash less likely?  I am curious to hear opinions.

 

Note that while it looks like it is his left knee that was torqued in the fall, according to news reports it was actually his right knee that was injured. 

 

Richr

post #2 of 14

Hard to say. Personally, I don't think a longer radius ski would have made any difference, or, to put it another way, I don't think ski radius was a cause of the crash/injury. You'll note that he gets slightly back, the right ski rails out, the left ski does a diverge...always a bad situation for the knee.  But the right ski doesn't appear to hook up and arc underneath him, which is what I think is the core of the objection to today's sidecuts.

 

Also not clear when he sustained the injury.  Entirely possible, IMHO, it occurred when he hooked up in the B-netting, which looks pretty ugly. If that's when the injury occurred, one more argument for something like slide pads instead of open mesh netting...

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post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post

Hard to say. Personally, I don't think a longer radius ski would have made any difference, or, to put it another way, I don't think ski radius was a cause of the crash/injury. You'll note that he gets slightly back, the right ski rails out, the left ski does a diverge...always a bad situation for the knee.  But the right ski doesn't appear to hook up and arc underneath him, which is what I think is the core of the objection to today's sidecuts.

 

Also not clear when he sustained the injury.  Entirely possible, IMHO, it occurred when he hooked up in the B-netting, which looks pretty ugly. If that's when the injury occurred, one more argument for something like slide pads instead of open mesh netting...

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That was what I was wondering, nothing in the crash looked like it pulled on the knee, even in the slide, the skis seemed to stay pretty clear

 

post #4 of 14


I thoiught the same thing, going into the netting looked like some serious tweaking went on. Do you guys know which leg he injured?
 

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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post


That was what I was wondering, nothing in the crash looked like it pulled on the knee, even in the slide, the skis seemed to stay pretty clear

 



 


Edited by Atomicman - 10/27/11 at 5:58pm
post #5 of 14

Just speculating, but he tries to stand just before hitting the netting.  At that moment the tails hook up on loose snow or a ridge just inside the netting, and he is launched into the net.  This clearly pulls the rear right ski to the outside, and that is where he is very vulnerable to the ACL injury.

 

He should have been on Kneebindings. th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #6 of 14

Right, and when one of my teammates and I watched this on Sunday, it looked like Kalle did a bunch of funky stuff, like spinning around and turning over,  after the initial impact that maybe didn't work out so well.  Once I know I'm going down, I just try to relax, get small, and not fight whatever's going to happen...Such a drag, however it happened.  Kalle is a great guy and a great racer, and he's been struggling with injuries for some time now, and this really looks like the end for him...
 

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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

Just speculating, but he tries to stand just before hitting the netting.  At that moment the tails hook up on loose snow or a ridge just inside the netting, and he is launched into the net.  This clearly pulls the rear right ski to the outside, and that is where he is very vulnerable to the ACL injury.

 

He should have been on Kneebindings. th_dunno-1[1].gif



 

post #7 of 14

Even in recreational skiing, many ACL injuries occur from an attempt to recover, and stand back up, rather than the fall itself.  I think that is pretty much what we see here.

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Amen.  A lesson for all of us.  If you're the guy in back and the pilot pulls the ejection handles for both of you, just relax and enjoy the trip down, don't try to climb back into the cockpit...

 

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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

Even in recreational skiing, many ACL injuries occur from an attempt to recover, and stand back up, rather than the fall itself.  I think that is pretty much what we see here.



 

post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

Just speculating, but he tries to stand just before hitting the netting.  At that moment the tails hook up on loose snow or a ridge just inside the netting, and he is launched into the net.  This clearly pulls the rear right ski to the outside, and that is where he is very vulnerable to the ACL injury.

 

He should have been on Kneebindings. th_dunno-1[1].gif



I don't see him trying to stand.  The bump before the 1st row of poles pops him up

 

post #10 of 14

I just had a beer yesterday with his coach so we had some talk about this too. Noone can be sure about this, but it looks like he actually got this thing when he slip to the b-netting next to track. It didn't look all that bad on beginning, and he was fine after race. On Monday morning he called from Innsbruck that his knee is swollen and he can't move it much. First thought was it's "just" meniscus, which would mean one month off and he would be back. Now when it's also ACL there's pretty good chances we won't see him on slopes anymore, which would be big loss (especially for my business :), since he's really cool guy. Personally I was hoping he will have injury free season, since with all those problems he had in last few years, he would deserve that. And on top of that, he was in really good shape this year, so we could expect quite some show from him. But it's always very thin line between having great season and not having season at all...

About new skis.... I don't know if it would help or not. I guess noone can tell this for sure. His right ski did hook up, but noone can tell if 35 or 40m ski wouldn't, so in my mind it's useless. More important issue in my mind is this b-netting, which is getting extremely popular in last few years. I know they are scared of a-netting getting cut by skis (like in Beltrametti case), but high speed crashes straight into b-nets are horrifying, and everything else then healthy. So personally I really don't see point in b-nets everywhere and a-nets are more or less gone.

post #11 of 14

Really sad to hear this, didn't see the crash. He was a cool racer, lots of physical problems late in his career. If I'm not mistaken, he took part in the FIS protest too, no? Anyway, as always in these cases, let's hope the guy can recover enough to return to normal life and have fun skiing as a rich, still-young and extremely talented, retired guy. Who's also a chick magnet, I'd guess. 

post #12 of 14

Well ACL is (normally) not big deal for normal life... unless your normal life is pro sport. So I don't have worries about him being able to have normal life, even skiing for fun (or dealing with group of kids from Finnish Lapland, where he made and finance his youth race school), but to be honest, I'm afraid he won't go through recovery and all this again, to be back on slopes as racer again. It's still too early to tell, but he said on Monday already, if tests will show something is broken, it's all over. But as I said, let's give him some time and we will see how it will go. I still hope I can see him on hill are racers and not just as tv commentator.

PS: Yes he was one of those guys who were in meeting facing against FIS.

post #13 of 14

A short update after yesterday's operation Kalle had... it looks like he won't give up so easy yet, so based on latest info from his coach, we will still see him on slopes next winter! yahoo.gif

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A short update after yesterday's operation Kalle had... it looks like he won't give up so easy yet, so based on latest info from his coach, we will still see him on slopes next winter! yahoo.gif



He was/is one of the best in GS...

Let's hope so.

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