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Help me pick a 98'er!

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Looking for some advice.  There are great reviews of all the skis on my mind, but none head to head, and none which quite answer the question, which is the best 98mm ski for me.  So, some help please.

 

I'm looking for a go-to ski with a 98mm waist in a mid-180 range with some sort of tip/tail rocker with camber underfoot.  I'll be skiing 90% with them in the WA cascades, 70% resort/30% bc (I'll be mounting either a new pair of Fritschi's or old pair of Baron's).  I ski a lot of trees and a lot of wet, heavy cascade "powder".  I'm 6'2", 35 - skied for 30 of those - but only 150lbs, which is why I generally find 98 offers enough float for me.  Currently skiing a BD Kilowatt in the side/backcountry and was skiing a Rossignol B83 frontside (till I busted both one very deep morning late last season) .

 

My current best thinking lays on this mix - can anyone add anything or offer some advice based on my criteria?  These are listed in no particular order...

 

Rossignol S3

Rossignol Experience 98

Line Prophet 98

Blizzard Bonafide

 

Thanks in advance - will be going to the local ski expo this weekend and want to have a clear sense of what I want to check out while there.

post #2 of 26

I've only got experience on the Prophets (100's in my case as well to be fair) - but after demoing them multiple times last season against other offerings from Salomon and Vokl, the Prophet was the winner for my ability and style.  I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, (probably a solid level 6-7), but I really enjoyed the feel of the Line skis best.

 

Don't know if that tiny bit of anecdotal 'advice' is helpful or not.

 

Best

 

Bri~

post #3 of 26

Have you looked into Blizzard Ones?

post #4 of 26

The skis on your list are quite different from each other.  So what do you normally like in a ski?  A lively, playful ski?  A powerful, beefy, damp ski?  Do you like something stiffer?  Softer and more forgiving?

post #5 of 26

i like my p 100s, so much so i got a pair of 115s for the deeper snow. I bought the 100s purely because they matched the sidecut numbers proportionaetly to my old bandit tripple x, i didnt want much sidecut because its nice to put it on edge and have them run straight if you want. That and i couldnt find any demos to try out

post #6 of 26

^ yeah, also, it looks like you are using them for skinning and hiking?  How much of the 70/30 is on groomed vs. slack? if you are doing that much skinning, maybe re-evaluate the needs.

post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 

Very rarely ski anything groomed anymore.  In fact, my local area only grooms one run.  The rest of the "groomers" are just skier compacted trails.  I'm looking for something which is light (which is why S3's are highish on my list) and playful, fairly forgiving, but not too soft.  I had a pair of Apache Chiefs and found them to be too stiff, and my Kilowatts are a bit on the stiffer side too.

post #8 of 26

I've skied the Bones and purchased their little brother, the Bushwacker. I highly recommend the Blizzard line.

 

I've also skied the Prophet 98s and wasn't overly impressed. To be fair, I think it was a bad tune and I was coming off the well-tuned BWs and my own well-tuned Mantras.

 

I've been a Völkl person since I started skiing and love my Mantras . . . or thought I did until I rode the Blizzard line. The truth is, they're just a lot of fun. I find them playful while still giving me the float I want. I outweigh you by about 10 lbs, but at your weight I think the Bones should suit you well. I'm not familiar with the Rossi line, but a gear guy I respect once wrote that the S3 is 3/4 of the ski that the S7 is (shout out to Philpug). Just throwing that out there.

 

Happy shopping!

post #9 of 26

Good list.

 

The Rossi is probably a bit stiff for your weight (it is the 2nd stiffest in the 95-100 class). The S3 is nimble, playful, tossable and all the things you seem to want. It has a fairly short running surface in the 186 but the cambered center has adequate grip underfoot for most firm snow. The Bonafide and Prophet 98 offer more stability, power and grip but at the cost of being less nimble.

 

SJ

post #10 of 26

What about the watea 98, I'm not sure if it has changed from last year but Dawgcatching reviewed it as exactly what you were looking for http://www.epicski.com/t/99802/killer-98s-2011-dynastar-6th-sense-slicer-blizzard-the-one-fischer-watea-98/30

post #11 of 26
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Good list.

 

The Rossi is probably a bit stiff for your weight (it is the 2nd stiffest in the 95-100 class). The S3 is nimble, playful, tossable and all the things you seem to want. It has a fairly short running surface in the 186 but the cambered center has adequate grip underfoot for most firm snow. The Bonafide and Prophet 98 offer more stability, power and grip but at the cost of being less nimble.

 

SJ


I assume you mean the Experience being a bit stiff?  That is rather what I assumed - it seemed to be more of a hard-charging carver than a real off-piste ski, able, but not designed for it.  Between the Bonafide and the Prophet, do you have a sense as to which is more nimble?  The Bonafide only seems to come in a 188 and that seems like, even with a bit of a rocker to the tip, like it would be a bit longer than I'd want for the tighter stuff.  Thanks for the help!

 

post #12 of 26

For both resort and touring in the PNW, the Bonafide or the Salomon Shogun (100mm) see like they'd be pretty ideal. The Bonafides come in 166, 173, 180, and 187 so assuming you can find some, there's a length for you! Kind of thinking along similar lines for a one ski does all free heel rig and will try to find some Bonafides when the reps start selling their demo stock.

post #13 of 26

Overall flex of the Bonafide and the Prophet are similar. The biggest difference would be the greater amount of rocker on the Blizzi which would offer a more nimble but slightly less conventional feel.

 

SJ

post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks a lot Jim.  I'll check out the Blizzards tomorrow.

 

Mark, I've added the Shogun to my "look at list".  Thanks!

 

post #15 of 26
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I assume you mean the Experience being a bit stiff?  That is rather what I assumed - it seemed to be more of a hard-charging carver than a real off-piste ski, able, but not designed for it.  Between the Bonafide and the Prophet, do you have a sense as to which is more nimble?  The Bonafide only seems to come in a 188 and that seems like, even with a bit of a rocker to the tip, like it would be a bit longer than I'd want for the tighter stuff.  Thanks for the help!

 



The Experience is not overly stiff but I would say out of the 98's you listed, it is the most frontside oriented, not that that is bad, it is great, IF that is what you are looking for. I love the way the E89 skis...and and trying to rationalize getting a pair even though I have Bonafides already. 

post #16 of 26
Why are you only looking at a 98mm ski? Seems that you are after deep snow most of the time and rarely ski frontside. With your height and weight you will probably like something light and nimble and not too stiff, and extra width will help in the Cascade snow. Blizzard is an amazing ski but with way you described I almost feel like you should think about going up the line to a 100+ offerings. If the frontside is not important, I'd even think about real 5-point skis like S7, JJ, BentChetlers, or even one of ON3p skis since you are in Pacific Northwest, although ON3Ps have a reputation of being burly. I bought the Bonafide in 187, but it will stay home on real powder days:-).

By the way, a lot of people say that DPS 112RP is an ideal western Resort/BC ski. I am not sure how I feel about that, but I heard that a lot.
post #17 of 26
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 extra width will help in the Cascade snow.


Hmmm. Will help crush chop and small animals, but higher density pow will require less width, since it's part of the float equation. So not sure I'd agree. At 150 lbs, a 98 might be perfect for a BC ski in the NW. I mean, even elsewhere, the optimal width for real touring seems to be 98 to 105, no? 

 

post #18 of 26

I skied the DPS 112RP Pure last season at Crystal Mountain. It's an amazing powder and BC ski. It's ok on the groomers but it really gets knocked around on old cut up cascade cement. Not the best all around ski.

 

I'm also looking for a better daily driver for the Cascades. I'm looking at the Blizzard Bonafide, Line Prophet 98 and Nordica Hell & Back.

 

The Nordica Hell & Back looks very interesting. It is 98mm underfoot, has tip rocker and, from the reviews, looks like it also rips the front side. 

 

post #19 of 26

J'Mo, I think you're right on in looking for something around the 98 mark. Smaller, lighter skins when wet, plenty of float, and much better corn performance for spring steeps. I don't know too many that have come the the conclusion for touring that 110+ is really the way to go for a one ski does all.

post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 

Adding Hell & Back to the list - love the weight of them!  

 

As for why 98mm vs anything wider...well, for an all around ski, I think 100+ is too much.  They tend to be 1-2lb's heavier than 98mm's which is a lot when skinning.  I also find that you lose a considerable amount of nimbleness when you get above 105, though that may well relate to my weight/strength more than the skis.

 

I'm off to the Seattle ski expo in a couple hours - hope to check out all of these side by side, test their flex/weight/taste, etc.  I'll drop a line when I'm back.

post #21 of 26

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I also find that you lose a considerable amount of nimbleness when you get above 105, though that may well relate to my weight/strength more than the skis.

 

 

I think you'll find that that depends a lot on the design of the ski.  There are some fat skis that are very very nimble, and there are some that are more straight line bulldozers.  However, that's beside the point, I think you've got a good handle on what you want.

post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thank you everyone for your help in this.  After seeing all the skis suggested (could NOT find the Bonafides though!), I ultimately came down to two - the S3 and the Hell & Back's.  When I managed to get one of the distributors at the Seattle Ski Show to offer me 30% off MAP on a pair of S3's, I bit the bullet and bought them.  Both the Prophet 98's and the Shogun's were a bit too stiff/heavy for what I was looking for.  So's...really appreciate everyones input!

post #23 of 26

skiattle, which vendor at Skifever gave you that deal?  I'm headed there either Saturday or Sunday (or both).

post #24 of 26

Skiattle, I think you'll really like the S3's. I used them all last year, and outweigh you by about 20 lbs. They're light and playful, but won't wash out if you want to carve some trenches. They can feel a little skittish at super-high speeds, but you can't have it all, I suppose. At my weight, and in drier Rocky Mountain snow, I found 98mm to provide plenty of float, even on 20'' days.

post #25 of 26
Skiattle good choice on s3. There are a lot of good choices this year. What did you think of the Ski Fever ? Worth going to? Any good deals or just the same prices you can find online any day?
post #26 of 26
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Skiattle good choice on s3. There are a lot of good choices this year. 
I think I will.  I've liked the few pairs of Rossi's I've owned over the years, and everything I've read of them tends towards my skiing style.  I did really like the Hell & Back's too, and if there wasn't $150 between the prices, I might have gone for those instead - I like the flat tail.

 

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What did you think of the Ski Fever ? Worth going to? Any good deals or just the same prices you can find online any day?

Not as worth it as it was when it was a Qwest field.  The ski swap was sparse.  But I got a pair of 2012 S3's for $499, $50 less than anywhere I found online, so I guess it paid off, and the 2-for-1 lift ticket deals aren't bad.

 

 

 

 

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