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Ok, It's hard to find a real objective report on skis, and I'm an instructor who has never tried 'rockered' skis, and find a width underfoot of 85mm great for everything, from deep powder, crud, piste, bumps etc, and I have to confess, I feel this is wide enough, and cannot see a need to go wider. If anything I'd think a bit narrower for performance, maybe.  Most the guys in this forum seem to be advising 100mm width or more. Is this really good? Do you get the performance like a narrower waisted ski? Do you lose performance, like I'd assume you would? Or has the new shapes and rockered stuff really made a large waisted ski suitable for all mountain terrain skiing?

I just want a pro/coaches opinion.

My type of skiing is all mountain, all terrain, love challenging conditions. Don't teach much now, occasional private, mainly ski for myself.

 

 

 

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Dont get a full rocker or especially not a reverse/reverse.

 

But an early rise ski with a say 40m side cut is sweet as.  Definatley go wide, dont be afraid of 110+.  Will you loose edge performance?  Of course.  But just like you can make a skinny ski work in pow, you can make these work on the groomed.  As well as a 70mm?  Again no of course not.  But I assume you are not looking for a daily driver, but rather a powder day ski.  Then a "80 somthing for the rest of the time" would be a good 2 ski quiver in the mountains, might want to add a 70mm carver if you get alot of harder stuff. 

 

If you are just looking to have a 1 ski quiver...well then no, I wouldnt do it.  Stay 80 somthing, early rise works well thou, just use it right, ie go longer then you otherwise might if no early rise.  Wide skis are hard on the knees if you are really laying them over all day long on the hard stuff.

 

Fat ski that works for me - the S7 and definatley the Czar.  Love the Czar.

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Thanks, that has helped. I'm after a good all mountain ski, as I usually only have one ski at a time. I'll stick with the 80-85mm width, a try a partially rockered ski? as you seem to suggest.

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Yes the "W" shapes...early rise with standard camber underfoot.  My daily driver is 88mm (Kastle MX88) under foot and they are great.  I even race on them (no not serious racing, but they are no problem for a few fun runs here and there).  Although if we get  few hard days and I am laying them over hard my knees do get sore.  My Kastle's are not early rise, but I would look at early rise and longer if I wanted just 1 ski.  I also have the Jester binding which puts you pretty high off the deck which helps crank the 88 over. 

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 I also have the Jester binding which puts you pretty high off the deck which helps crank the 88 over. 

I have the Jester aswell, but they are much lower than race bindings with plates. Only 22mm.
 

 

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I have the Jester aswell, but they are much lower than race bindings with plates. Only 22mm.
 

 



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I just wondered why you think a 22 mm binding is "high off the deck"?

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I just wondered why you think a 22 mm binding is "high off the deck"?



Because for a fat ski, it is.  I suppose you could put risers and plates etc on a fat ski, but I have never seen it done.  Clickers get you higher, I suppose, but if you are going for it, not sure clickers are the go.  From what I have seen 22mm is pretty high for these types of skis.  Maybe I am wrong on that but I dont think so.

 

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I see Jesters being used on fat skis all the time.  Aren't they pretty normal / standard when it comes to height?

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I see Jesters being used on fat skis all the time.  Aren't they pretty normal / standard when it comes to height?



Yup, the Jesters are popular for sure.  But no I think they are high compared to most straight bindings out there.

 

I just went and googled a few

 

Salomon N Sth 16- 17.5mm

Tyrolia Peak X18 TH- 17mm

 

I looked up others like Look and 4Frnt, no data provided but from the pics they are not as high as the Jester.

 

I am sure there are some out there that are as high...but I would be surprised if any were higher.

 

 

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