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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

The buzz on Facebook is Costco average wage is $17 plus benefits. Is that true? Hey I know that sounds like peanuts to most affluent skiers but it's not a bad deal for regular folks. A lot better than Walmart I think.

and better then many ski-resort jobs (but arguable the "benefits" there are more valuable).

 

that being said, if you're here looking for a retail job; maybe something like REI or sports related might be more life-fulfilling. 

post #32 of 52

Just an update on the Bolle helmet I got at Costco earlier this winter. It seemed fine, until I took a hard fall that hurt my shoulder, but I never was aware of even hitting my head at all, other than my goggles got pushed down around my neck. My head didn't have the slightest bump or bruise, or any other indication of impact. I found a couple of days later that the helmet had cracked at a very weak point.
The 2-piece construction of the shell has a lid and a lower piece that are not joined by any method at all, just both are glued in a couple of small spots to the styrofoam inner piece. The lower half of the shell that makes up the rear and sides is only a half inch wide just in front of the ear where the brim starts, and this is where it cracked, cracking the styrofoam with it. With that cracked, the rest of the helmet just fell apart, the lid came free from the 2 quarter-sized spots of glue that are the only thing holding it. The liner (I won't even use the term suspension) is attached to the styrofoam only by the thinnest plastic, and part of that broke too.
Once the whole helmet came apart into pieces, I could see how weak and flimsy both the design and materials were. Even the goggle retainer was held only by a plastic rivet that anchored in the styrofoam, not the shell itself, with no backing piece inside. The entire structural integrity of the helmet relies on the styrofoam. I'm not even sure the chin strap connects to anything solid.
I will not buy another Bolle helmet, and I would be very hesitant to buy any 2-piece design. Stick with a 1-piece and be sure key components are anchored to the shell not the foam.

post #33 of 52

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post #34 of 52
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Originally Posted by 2fsst2old View Post
 

Just an update on the Bolle helmet I got at Costco earlier this winter. It seemed fine, until I took a hard fall that hurt my shoulder, but I never was aware of even hitting my head at all, other than my goggles got pushed down around my neck. My head didn't have the slightest bump or bruise, or any other indication of impact. I found a couple of days later that the helmet had cracked at a very weak point.
The 2-piece construction of the shell has a lid and a lower piece that are not joined by any method at all, just both are glued in a couple of small spots to the styrofoam inner piece. The lower half of the shell that makes up the rear and sides is only a half inch wide just in front of the ear where the brim starts, and this is where it cracked, cracking the styrofoam with it. With that cracked, the rest of the helmet just fell apart, the lid came free from the 2 quarter-sized spots of glue that are the only thing holding it. The liner (I won't even use the term suspension) is attached to the styrofoam only by the thinnest plastic, and part of that broke too.
Once the whole helmet came apart into pieces, I could see how weak and flimsy both the design and materials were. Even the goggle retainer was held only by a plastic rivet that anchored in the styrofoam, not the shell itself, with no backing piece inside. The entire structural integrity of the helmet relies on the styrofoam. I'm not even sure the chin strap connects to anything solid.
I will not buy another Bolle helmet, and I would be very hesitant to buy any 2-piece design. Stick with a 1-piece and be sure key components are anchored to the shell not the foam.

Do you know that most ski helmets use Styrofoam as its primary energy absorption, not the outer shell.  Actually the stuff is called expanded styrene or something like that.  Most motorcycle, snowmobile and bicycle helmets use the same stuff and it is designed to take one good hit and then it is recommended you replace.  Why?  At the place of impact, the styrene compresses to absorb the impact and does not return to original position, making that area of the helmet "dead" as in no more impact absorption and should be replaced.

 

If you were to read the manual it will state that the helmet should be carefully inspected after every impact and should be replaced if any of the energy absorption material is compromised.  I have had to do this after a very minor fall on my motorcycle where my head hit the ground.  One good whack and the helmet is done!

 

So, I think the Bolle helmet did its job and saved your noggin!  The fact that the outer shell cracked, indicates you took a good whack in the head and the helmet should be replaced regardless if the shell cracked or not.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G

post #35 of 52
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Originally Posted by 2fsst2old View Post
 

Just an update on the Bolle helmet I got at Costco earlier this winter. It seemed fine, until I took a hard fall that hurt my shoulder, but I never was aware of even hitting my head at all, other than my goggles got pushed down around my neck. My head didn't have the slightest bump or bruise, or any other indication of impact. I found a couple of days later that the helmet had cracked at a very weak point.
The 2-piece construction of the shell has a lid and a lower piece that are not joined by any method at all, just both are glued in a couple of small spots to the styrofoam inner piece. The lower half of the shell that makes up the rear and sides is only a half inch wide just in front of the ear where the brim starts, and this is where it cracked, cracking the styrofoam with it. With that cracked, the rest of the helmet just fell apart, the lid came free from the 2 quarter-sized spots of glue that are the only thing holding it. The liner (I won't even use the term suspension) is attached to the styrofoam only by the thinnest plastic, and part of that broke too.
Once the whole helmet came apart into pieces, I could see how weak and flimsy both the design and materials were. Even the goggle retainer was held only by a plastic rivet that anchored in the styrofoam, not the shell itself, with no backing piece inside. The entire structural integrity of the helmet relies on the styrofoam. I'm not even sure the chin strap connects to anything solid.
I will not buy another Bolle helmet, and I would be very hesitant to buy any 2-piece design. Stick with a 1-piece and be sure key components are anchored to the shell not the foam.

Not so much as a bump or bruise? I'd say your one-impact helmet did the job. Be thankful.

post #36 of 52

Thanks for the comments. I do realize the foam is for absorbing the impact, but because of this helmet's design, it is expected to serve as structural integrity and mounting points for the liner/suspension. My concern is that the inherent weak point of the shell would have failed to protect me if there had been a harder impact. The helmet was the "hybrid" design, and as I said, the lower half of the shell is very narrow at the sides, and gets no support from the upper half of the shell because they are both just glued in minimal spots to the styrene liner and not connected to each other. Yes, definitely a "one-impact" helmet!
Anyway, my head is fine but this helmet is history, and I will not get another 2-piece design now that I see how they're built.
I'm back to using my old helmet now, which has never had a really hard hit, and the liner shows no cracks or compression. I only replaced it because of its age, and I still do want to go ahead and replace it again.
Any suggestions on more well-built brands?

post #37 of 52

I bought a Bolle helmet from Costco a few years ago.  It is a mostly a one -piece design with a tiny bit of extra trim around the base of the main protection and added ear warmers.  I took a really good hit with it late last year, so I replaced it at the start of this year.  The new helmet has separate upper and lower shells, and a knob at the back to adjust fit that the old one didn't.  I do believe the impact that the old one survived without problem would have destroyed the structural integrity of the shell on the new one.   Maybe it's a good thing that the new one won't survive an impact.  Not every one will be willing to replace their helmet after an impact, but maybe they will have to.:dunno

post #38 of 52

If it's the same as mine, and you take a hit to the lower half, it most likely will be a one-use helmet. Hopefully the protection will be enough even as the helmet breaks. I understand the precaution, which is why I replaced my older one even though it had no visible damage - I just didn't want to depend on aging materials. But I look at a helmet sort of like I do knee-pads and gloves for skateboarding, and I expect them to remain serviceable even when they have protected me from a few minor bumps. This is like the whole knee-pad falling part because you broke a plastic rivet that was never strong enough in the first place.
You're right, Ghost, I should post a couple of pics, and I will... And yes, I am one of those people who would not replace my helmet unless I saw visible damage, but as you say, I will definitely have to this time.

post #39 of 52

Maybe Costco will take it back and give you a refund.  I'm pretty sure my new one is like your (minus the damage ).  I'm keeping mine, as it sounds like it did protect you despite being torn apart.  Check out the foam carefully for any signs of crushing and post up the pics first! just for our curiosity. 

post #40 of 52
post #41 of 52
IMO, your helmet did its job. There's a lot of damage there, indicating that the "mild" hit you took was pretty significant. And FWIW, you don't understand how helmets function. They're not supposed to be rigid; if they are, all the force gets sent to your skull. So the shell took some of the force, enough to crack it, and the styrofoam took the rest. Like crumple zones on a car. Incidentally that's why football helmets are worthless; they're too rigid, with just soft foam inside for fit. Finally, any helmet that uses EPS foam (styrofoam) can only take one good hit. Basically just bike helmet with thicker shell. Find one made with EPP foam, that's multi-impact. Meanwhile, good luck with Costco, but it wasn't defective.
post #42 of 52

Yeah -- it's fairly common knowledge that most helmets take one bang, and then you replace them.

post #43 of 52
Thread Starter 
Looks like a pretty hard hit to damage a helmet like that, regardless of method of construction. FYI my Gyro helmet use the same type of plastic tab to attach the inner liner, I broke one just removing the liner to plug some of the vents.

Costco probably will give your money back if you complained, but it just feels to me like the wrong thing to do.
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

Looks like a pretty hard hit to damage a helmet like that, regardless of method of construction. FYI my Gyro helmet use the same type of plastic tab to attach the inner liner, I broke one just removing the liner to plug some of the vents.

Costco probably will give your money back if you complained, but it just feels to me like the wrong thing to do.


Especially since you didn't feel a thing worth writing home about.   The helmet did it's job and gave its live to save your noggin.  Still, if you thought you were buying a hard shell that you could beat up without having to replace (so it would look like you were wearing an effective helmet to observers - I could have gotten away with keeping my old Bolle after the hit mine took; ski patrol, who insist that I set a good example and wear a helmet instead of a sheepskin hat, would never be the wiser :devil:), Costco might just refund your money.

post #45 of 52
I echo the comment about getting deals where you can. The local ski shop owner is rolling in cash and charges $$$$$$$$$$ for everything. There's plenty of people willing to pay though.
post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe View Post

The local ski shop owner is rolling in cash and charges $$$$$$$$$$ for everything. 

:ROTF Hey guys, will you send me some of that cash so I can roll in it too? 

post #47 of 52

I appreciate all the comments, and attempts to educate me, all valid points of view. But I have been skiing for 35 years or so, have taken many a fall, most of them long before anyone started wearing helmets, and a few since. I'm also a retired wildland firefighter, and I understand the function and design of protective gear, including suspension-type hardhats and flight helmets. That said, this helmet is more like a toy than like serious protection. I doubt that a one-piece design probably would have cracked at all in this case, but if it did show damage I would replace it just like I will this flimsy 2-piece.
I am of course, disappointed to have to buy another helmet so soon, but my concern is that if I actually had taken a hard hit to that area of the helmet, I doubt I would have had the protection I intended to have. As I said, I was not aware of even striking my head in this fall, and I just don't think the hit was that hard, and the helmet magically dissipated all of it. Look at the picture - the piece of shell that broke was 1/2 inch wide. That's just not going to stand up to anything at all, and once that goes, the foam will crack because it doesn't flex. Not saying I'm not glad I had it on - that's why I wear one in the first place. I'm sure I would have felt it but I doubt it would have been a serious blow.
I am going to get another ski helmet, not a football helmet or any other unreasonable solution. But it WILL be a one-piece shell because I want adequate protection.
And, yeah, I don't think I feel right about trying to get a refund from Costco, just chalk it up to experience!
Thanks again, everyone, see ya on the slopes - Pray for Snow!

post #48 of 52

Ghost, you might just try pulling at the upper half-shell of your helmet a little, and if it does come loose then go get a refund, since it's really not damaged or abused, but clearly defective. I don't think I want to go ask for a refund with mine like it is, but you should be able to feel secure with yours if you're planning to keep it. Those 2 spots of glue just don't seem like enough.

post #49 of 52
Did this have any certification on it? Snell or equivalent? Just curious.
post #50 of 52
Before you think a one time use product does do its job, bullet proof vests are one time use for the police force. How I know is several years back I was designing puncture resistant clothing and looking at the material of the bullet proof vests. Luck the one manufacturer was right down the road (3-4) miles and I got the full story along with the demos and testing specs and proceedures. The one time use is to provide maximum protection at the lightest.

So one time use is exactly that it will work for one fall and usually very well. The damage shows that's it's lived it's useful life. If you are skiing at Mach schnell speeds maybe a race helmet is in order but remember that they have a life as well and don't always show you that they are done.
post #51 of 52

As mentioned, the helmet did it's job, and as mentioned a helmet is a single impact item, like an airbag in a car. As far as a two piece design verses a one piece, think about MIPS technology they are using now in helmets, the inner mechanism is designed to give in a rotational impact reducing the risk of a concussion. 

post #52 of 52

It's sometimes hard to tell in a fall how hard you hit.  Bindings sometimes release with seemingly no force applied.  I recall one fall that I didn't hit my head hard at all, yet my goggles were cracked! 

 

Clearly, your head made contact with the snow.  Else your goggles would still have been covering your eyes.  How hard an impact is another matter.  Compression of the EPS foam would tell, but your photos are at the wrong angle for us to tell.  Perhaps you can tell us if the foam has been compressed anywhere.  It is possible that you did a fair amount of sliding on the side of your head without major impact.  The sliding would have exerted a shear stress on the helmet, without an impact to crush it.

 

I note that at the exact point where your helmet tore there is a 90 degree corner on mine, with no fillet or round.  As any 2nd year civil or mechanical engineering student can tell you this will produce stress concentration and is a poor design. 

 

I'm still keeping mine; I'm not worried; I skied 45  years without a helmet and without worry.

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