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Rossi S3 or Blizzard Bonafide?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I realize they are two different skis.

 

I want something that I can take on all trips.  

 

I only ski out west, Rockies or Cascades.

 

190lbs mid-30's, aggressive, like to turn.

 

I have the S3, but I can swap them for the Bonafides.

 

I like to turn, ski fast, search for powder, mainly off-piste, trees, and groomers with steep.

 

Opinions very welcome....

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 17
I liken the s3 to a 3/4 size s7. The s3 is a great playful powder ski for a smaller person. I think the Bonafide is a better one ski quiver than the s3 for what you are asking for.
post #3 of 17

What does the S3 not do for you? Or.....put another way,  what would you like a ski to do better than the S3?

 

SJ

post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 

Edge grip at speed, crud busting, little more power.

 

Really just looking for a one ski quiver for Western trips. 

 

I have heard the S3 can get a little soft at speed.

 

 

post #5 of 17

185 Cochise or 187 Bonafide. S3 + go fast does not go together as well as others.  There are a ton on good skis out there around 100-110mm

post #6 of 17

To jump on the the OP's question, what would I be giving up going from the S3 to a Bonafide?  I enjoy the playfulness of the S3, and it's abilities in tight EC trees.  But, every time I ski them I miss the stability of my MX78's.

 

I'm not looking for a huge quiver. I have my Kastles for harder days and 1 other ski (currently S3) for EC  days with fresh snow, and annual trips out west

post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by USCdownhill View Post

Edge grip at speed, crud busting, little more power.

 

Really just looking for a one ski quiver for Western trips. 

 

I have heard the S3 can get a little soft at speed.

 

 


Your last sentence indicates that you have never skied the S3. If so, how do you know about the first sentence? Or have you skied the S3, but always slowly? th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

 

post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by USCdownhill View Post

Edge grip at speed, crud busting, little more power.

 


 


When you get these things, you lose some of the nimble/playful feeling that the S3 gives you. This choice is about prioritizing one vs. the other. The Bush is better than the S3 at the things you mention and as good in bumps but not as good in very deep snow. The Bonafide is better still at crud, stability, and power but for sure is more ski than either of the other two and hence less tossable and playful when equal lengths are considered. Neither of the two Blizzis are as good as an equal length S3 when the snow is deep

 

SJ.

 

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

TY

I am going to keep my 186 s3.

I want to try and play, still have them in the package.

 

Any binding recommendations.

 

TIA.

post #10 of 17

I think any lack of edge grip you're experiencing with the S3's is due to your weight.

 

That being said look at the Volkl Mantra's from what you've mentioned.

post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by tsk94 View Post

I think any lack of edge grip you're experiencing with the S3's is due to your weight.

 

That being said look at the Volkl Mantra's from what you've mentioned.


I tuned my S3's (against many recommendations) with a 3 degree edge bevel underfoot, tapering out to 2 degrees elsewhere.  Plenty of grip when needed, and I can't see how it affects their performance in powder at all.

 

As an East Coast skier, I find even on my best of "powder" days, there are runs where I can hit, powder, crud and ice all within a single turn.  I like knowing there will be a sharp edge when I suddenly need it. If I were only using these out West, I probably wouldn't bother. 
 

 

post #12 of 17

I also have my S3's tuned to a 3 degree side bevel. Even in the mountians, in early or late season one can come across some skied off areas and that bevel will allow the ski to hold as well as it can. Provided you get them up on edge. They won't hold like a race ski, but they won't slide from under you. They are a great, fun ski. You won't go wrong with them.

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

I hope so, they were sold out here locally, and the shops here will take them straight up on a trade, because they are so popular.

 

It really is a week long trip to the Rockies that got me wondering about them as a do everything ski.....that and the Bonafide love from this forum, that made me reconsider.

 

I want the new technology that everyone is raving about.  Fun, quick, and playful is my thing, but I definitely do hit the end of the runs fast.

 

 

post #14 of 17

S3 user here, so I'll add my opinion. I ski primarily in Colorado, and used Mantras for all of the 09-10 season. Last year, I demo'd some S3's and fell in love with their playfulness- something I really was missing on the old Mantras.

 

I'm around 170, fairly aggressive, and like to ski all over the mountain, and I have to say, my one complaint is that the S3 seems to be easily overpowered. By that I mean they seem to have a definite speed limit. When I'm noodling through trees, I couldn't ask for a better ski, but when I open it up on tracked-out snow, they get a little chatter-y. To the OP, at 190 pounds, I would worry about the same thing happening to you.

 

At this point, I'm looking for a replacement ski. Perhaps I'll find myself longing for the nimbleness of the S3, but I just need a little more beef underfoot.

 

A couple of skis that caught my eye are the Blizzard Cochise and the Armada JJ. Between the two, I'm thinking the Cochise is more what I'm looking for, but I'm going to try and demo both. I'm certainly open to other suggestions, though!

post #15 of 17

It should be no surprise that the Mantra and S3 have differing characteristics. You went from the stiffest ski in class to one of the softest (and rockered to boot). In all things, you have to prioritize because you won't get the best attributes of both of those in one ski. What you can do is shade toward the middle of those two extremes with something like a Nordica Enforcer, Dynastar Legend 94, or Blizzi Bonafide. Those are in the same width category as the Mantra and S3 but offer a broader range of capabilities than either. The Cochise and JJ are good skis too but in a different category from the others and also very different from each other as well.

 

SJ

post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

It should be no surprise that the Mantra and S3 have differing characteristics. You went from the stiffest ski in class to one of the softest (and rockered to boot). In all things, you have to prioritize because you won't get the best attributes of both of those in one ski. What you can do is shade toward the middle of those two extremes with something like a Nordica Enforcer, Dynastar Legend 94, or Blizzi Bonafide. Those are in the same width category as the Mantra and S3 but offer a broader range of capabilities than either. The Cochise and JJ are good skis too but in a different category from the others and also very different from each other as well.

 

SJ



Thank you for your insight! I know going from the Mantra to the S3 was a big leap. If I had to pick one, I'd definitely stick with the S3, though.

 

I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Since it's relevant to the OP's question, how would the Cochise compare to the S3?

post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by ArcAngel View Post



Thank you for your insight! I know going from the Mantra to the S3 was a big leap. If I had to pick one, I'd definitely stick with the S3, though.

 

I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Since it's relevant to the OP's question, how would the Cochise compare to the S3?



Cochise = Stiffer, more grip, dampening and stability. But........heavier, less nimble and playful.

 

SJ

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