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post #31 of 45

Areas at Vail with more difficult terrain:

 

1.  Northwoods area.  There are a few hucks if you want them, and some short steep sections.  It is gladed.

2.  Steep and Deep and the line right next to it between S&D and Iron Cross.  Pretty steep (short), with some tree alleys to keep your attention.  The way out is a bit flat and disappointing, but ..

3.  The area all the way skier's right in Sundown Bowl.  A steeper line.

4.  Genghis Khan.  One of the steeper lines in china Bowl.

 

There's some mixed tree skiing on the frontside, but I don't remember the names of the runs.

 

Mike

post #32 of 45

so is this a request for you or the group?  the question seems to shift as the answers come in. 

 

I've skied both and have ahad a great time at both. But as posted earlier, is this for vacation or for skiing? 

 

you want to scare the crap out of yourself and put it on the line?  go Jhole, hands down no contest, just watch some ski movies filmed there.  there are plenty of technical lines within the boundaries.  Every time I ski there I realize how much I suck.

 

Vacation- listen to BWPA, read ski magazines resort reviews and be prepared to be wowed. Starbucks right at the base! wink.gif

 

but seriously, we had the gathering there and all had a fantastic time with something for everyone.

post #33 of 45

As already mentioned Vail has Beaver Creek next door with some good tree skiing and the World Cup "Birds of Prey" downhill course. They keep the downhill course very firm, so make sure your skis are sharp. Because it has several benches, it is not all that difficult at moderate speeds but at WC speeds, those benches can become launching pads. Because Beaver Creek is the farthest from Denver it gets the smallest weekend crowds of the Vail resorts and most of the easy runs are in a different spot on the mountain than the black diamond runs, so those lifts for the black runs don't get too crowded.

post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by s4gobabygo View Post

thanks for the useful input guys!  it seems like vail may still be a good place for me.  i'm certainly no professional, and i do have avalanche/orienteering gear and training, but for this trip, i'd be satisfied to find a bunch of fun/tricky places where i can dive into the trees, and find some tight spots on the way down without having to duck ropes, get in trouble or offend locals. 

 

i'd love to hear more on the quality and quantity of glades and woods on the front-side at vail.  i'm not as concerned with the true backcountry, since i probably won't have anyone to accompany me this time around.


  The bolded certainly hoists plenty of warning flags. Training and gear are great, but hire a guide while getting the 'experience' component in order. Go to Jackson, stay inbounds, spend some time over at Grand Targee which often gets snow when Jackson is rock hard, and hire some gear and a guide to tour Teton Pass.

 

post #35 of 45
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so is this a request for you or the group?  the question seems to shift as the answers come in. 

 

I've skied both and have ahad a great time at both. But as posted earlier, is this for vacation or for skiing? 

 

you want to scare the crap out of yourself and put it on the line?  go Jhole, hands down no contest, just watch some ski movies filmed there.  there are plenty of technical lines within the boundaries.  Every time I ski there I realize how much I suck.

 

Vacation- listen to BWPA, read ski magazines resort reviews and be prepared to be wowed. Starbucks right at the base! wink.gif

 

but seriously, we had the gathering there and all had a fantastic time with something for everyone.

 

why are we giving this questions serious answers! :P

 

there is nothing wrong with Vail's skiing, its pretty damn good, but for terrain and challenged there is nothing compared to Jackson. there are many places in New England that make vail's terrain look flat and boring but there Jackson make everything in New England Inbounds looks weak.
 

 

post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

so is this a request for you or the group?  the question seems to shift as the answers come in. 

 

I've skied both and have ahad a great time at both. But as posted earlier, is this for vacation or for skiing? 

 

you want to scare the crap out of yourself and put it on the line?  go Jhole, hands down no contest, just watch some ski movies filmed there.  there are plenty of technical lines within the boundaries.  Every time I ski there I realize how much I suck.

 

Vacation- listen to BWPA, read ski magazines resort reviews and be prepared to be wowed. Starbucks right at the base! wink.gif

 

but seriously, we had the gathering there and all had a fantastic time with something for everyone.


i've pretty much decided that my vote will go to jackson.  the question is what happens if the group votes for vail (it's looking like a split decision right now)... am i likely to find terrain i like there, or would it be smarter for me to save my money and PTO time and try to plan a trip to another mountain (maybe with another group or something).

 

i'm not entirely sure i understand the distinction between going on "vacation" and going "skiing".  i guess if i were forced to choose, i'd place more weight on the actual skiing experience of the trip, but it's also the only substantial "vacation" i'll have all year, so both?  i'm only in good enough shape to ski maybe 9:00 to 3:00, so apres and rest-day activities also matter.  obviously there's some enjoyment i get out of skiing/vacationing with my friends, so if they vote on vail, planning a new trip would be a pain.

 

basically, i'm asking if someone with atypical interests like mine should resist vail, or be open to it.

 

 

 

 

 

post #37 of 45
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i can't help but be put off by your suggestion that my post is "trolling or idiotic", as the text which you've referenced describes.  I'm not sure exactly why you feel that my question fits into this category.  perhaps you can offer less cryptic advice?  from someone apparently offering etiquette advice, this is not the warmest of welcomes.


 

 

 

Honestly, do you need to ask the question in your original post? I mean if you are a skier have you been living under a rock? Have you not seen the movies that are shot at Jackson and read about it in magazines or talked with other skiers? Use the search feature, next time. Be put off if you want. I read the title of this thread and started laughing thinking someone was trying to get the troops fired up. 

 

My advice you should go to VAIL, you would love it there. 

 
post #38 of 45
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basically, i'm asking if someone with atypical interests like mine should resist vail, or be open to it.


Be open to it.  There's plenty of fun skiing at Vail.  Every American skier should experience Vail at least once.  And I would add +++ to the suggestions about Beaver Creek.

 

Jackson Hole will be here when you get here - we're not going anywhere.   Best of all, you'll just be that much better skier and that much better equipped to enjoy our mountain when you come.

 

post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


  The bolded certainly hoists plenty of warning flags. Training and gear are great, but hire a guide while getting the 'experience' component in order. Go to Jackson, stay inbounds, spend some time over at Grand Targee which often gets snow when Jackson is rock hard, and hire some gear and a guide to tour Teton Pass.

 



for what it's worth, i've never gone anywhere seriously out of bounds without a paid local guide.  i do own all of the backcountry gear typically recommended, and have had (basic) courses in avalanche rescue, and snow analysis, as well as extensive orienteering experience, both on and off the mountain.  i'm a strong proponent of the boyscout motto, so no need for concern there.  i'm not by any means a veteran back country skier, but it's an area of interest.

 

now please put all of that aside, because this is a group trip with mostly intermediate skiers, so i'm not expecting to spend significant time out of bounds, or in avalanche country.  somehow this question is getting blown out of proportion, like i'm trying to impress everyone here or something, because it was my first post and i'm not a beginner.  i'm NOT expecting anything worthy of inclusion in the next warren miller film... just some fun in the trees!   

post #40 of 45
Thread Starter 

i think it's time to close this thread.  thanks to those of you who offered polite and insightful input.  this has helped.

 

to those of you who simply dwelled on the admittedly misleading title of the thread (which has thankfully been edited), i'm out of apologies.  the forum sponsors should thank you, however, for doing the noble work of keeping forum registrations in check.  my first day with this "community" started off with excitement, but essentially boiled down to having to prove i'm not a troll, and dispel overwhelmingly negative assumptions!  so instead of apologizing again, i'll say "thanks.  it's been an eye-opener".

 

 


Edited by s4gobabygo - 10/26/11 at 8:18pm
post #41 of 45

If you do go to Vail, just remember you can still find plenty of gnar down I-70 at A-Basin... on the same lift ticket no less.

post #42 of 45
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i apologize again for the title of this thread.  unfortunately i'd be going in a group of about 8, so choosing between jackson and vail was not my intention.  i'm simply trying to determine if i still want to go if the group vote goes to vail, or if i should save my nickels and try to go somewhere else... i can really only afford one trip per year.

 



Ah! So the real question is how much you want to go with a group, even if you don't get to take advantage of  the most challenging terrrain. Yes?

 

In that case, this has nothing to do with expertise or the advice of others on this forum. It has more to do with your connection to your travel group.

 

A couple of thoughts:

 

The group could come to a concensus of Jackson for the trip. Problem solved.

 

How often do you ski with this group?  Skiing with a group of friends can be pretty great, even if you don't get your gnar on.   It's not like you're gonna have a crappy time in Vail. And as Bob Lee mentioned, Jackson isn't going to disappear and you can go in a future year.

 

OTOH, if you've gone with this group several times before, and you value the challenge more than the group experience, Jackson it is.

 

Hope that helps.

 


Edited by DesiredUsername - 10/27/11 at 2:42pm
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post


Be open to it.  There's plenty of fun skiing at Vail.  Every American skier should experience Vail at least once.  And I would add +++ to the suggestions about Beaver Creek.

 

Jackson Hole will be here when you get here - we're not going anywhere.   Best of all, you'll just be that much better skier and that much better equipped to enjoy our mountain when you come.

 



QFT

post #44 of 45

I suggest taking your question to the Teton Gravity forums. You'll get honest answers from a really nice group of folks who will only want to help you.

 

Here's the link:  http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/3-Ski-Snowboard

 

 

 

 

post #45 of 45

yes, please post in the "tech talk" section please.......

 

 

(ya' know we don't really mean that? But it would be interesting since there's no snow...)

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