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FIS GS racing skis - Volkl vs. Atomic

post #1 of 11
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Considering the overall characteristics of the following two FIS approved skis and my build, 172cms 62kg, which do you think is a "better" ski and why? Or more to the point, which are the main differences between these two race skis? Any feedback from people who have the skis or tried them (even last season) is appreciated. Cheers.

Volkl - Racetiger GS Race Stock WC - 183 cms - 108-68-94

Atomic - RS D2 GS MEN - 181 cms - 99.5 - 67.5 - 85.5


Edited by dreamracer - 10/25/11 at 12:45pm
post #2 of 11

I'm bumping this to the top and moving it to the race/competition forum area where you may get the answers you're looking for.

 

post #3 of 11

the biggest difference is that the volkl is a 23meter radius and the atomic is a 27 meter radius.

 

the volkl was designed for FIS size women, the atomic was designed for smaller lighter men. you would normally see a first year FIS male skiing on the 181 atomic. and all ages of FIS women skiing on the 183 volkl.

 

also the volkl sidecut numbers that you posted do not look accurate.

 

are you male or female? what type of racing are you doing?

 

jim

post #4 of 11

They're way different.  The Volkl has a huge fat tip, biggest I've seen for a GS ski in that length. I can't figure out the sidecut, but I think it's more than what would be FIS legal for that length, which is a women's GS length. You don't want the Atomic. That's a 27.2 M sidecut in a short length for J1s who are moving up to FIS sidecuts. The roughly equivalent Atomic is a 183 FIS ski, which has a 103.5 tip and a 24.3 sidecut.  I got a pair and skied on them last week, and they're the quickest GS skis I've ever been on. The Volkl would also be good, and because of the fat tip, would hook up really easily...

 

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Originally Posted by dreamracer View Post

Considering the overall characteristics of the following two FIS approved skis and my build, 172cms 62kg, which do you think is a "better" ski and why? Or more to the point, which are the main differences between these two race skis? Any feedback from people who have the skis or tried them (even last season) is appreciated. Cheers.

Volkl - Racetiger GS Race Stock WC - 183 cms - 108-68-94

Atomic - RS D2 GS MEN - 181 cms - 99.5 - 67.5 - 85.5



 

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi Jim, many thanks for your feedback. I am male. I am mainly looking for expert recreational use (my day job unfortunately is not ski racing). I've had Volkl in the past and currently have 2010 GS in 172cms (not Fis Reg). I am now looking for something faster and more exclusively for GS (vs. the current GS which I also easily use for slalom and occasionally powder too).

 

Based on the above and on my height/weight i would think anything above 185cms becomes "too much" (although back in the days I used to ski with 190cms!) hence the 181 and 183 option (i would consider the 187 but would be a bit concerned without trying). Although a Volkl fan i would consider Atomic based on the feedback here. Thanks alot! Lorenzo

 

P.s. The sidecut specs i got come from here:

 

http://volkl.com/ski/index.php/skiis/models/Racetiger%20GS%20Race%20Stock%20WC

http://www.atomicsnow.com/en/Products/Alpine/Ski/Fis%20Race/RS_D2_GS_MEN/AA0018100.aspx?filter=

 

but shops in Italy/Switzerland seem to quote slightly different numbers... !!

post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi SkiRacer55 and thanks for your feedback. Please check my reply to Jim above here.

 

From the Atomic website the ones you quote i cant find in FIS reg format. And the next FIS reg Volkl i see is a 187 which would probably be too much for my height/weight.

 

So from what you say the 181 Atomic is too short with that big radius? Making it more unstable?

You are right the Volkl has indeed a huge fat tip when compared to the Atomic. What do you mean it would "hook up really easily".

 

An alternative i guess could be the in 182 Rossignol Radical World Cup GS FIS Ibox Racing (http://www.rossignol.com/GB/GB/radical-world-cup-gs-fis-ibox-racing_RA1DA02_product_ski-men-skis-race.html)

 

Thanks alot for your feedback which will ultimately influence my purchasing decision!

Lorenzo

 

 

 

post #7 of 11

based on the fact that you are a male, and not racing FIS, there are 2 points to consider....

 

1. the sidecut does not matter! you are free skiing on race skis you can turn where you want and when you want. so, for free skiing the difference between a 23 meter ski and a 27 meter ski is not that big of a deal. from a versatility stand point, you would find that the 23 meter ski versus the 27 meter ski would be easier to work around tighter trails or where there are more skiers on the mountain.

 

2. as far as the hook-up factor, do not believe everything that you read or are told about sidecut. a  women's FIS ski has to be greater than a 23 meter radius, to get that dimension there are only so many combinations of tip width, waist width and tail width that get you there. a race ski is much more than the single parameter of the sidecut dimensions. if the tip width made the most difference, then there would be a one to one relationship between the the fattest tips and the most world cup podiums. that is not the case. flex, sidecut, profile, taper angle, materials, plate & binding all have influence on the overall feel and performance of a race ski.

 

the choices that you have mentioned are all great skis. try to compare apples to apples in terms of womens FIS GS skis range from 175cm to 184cm with 23 or greater radius. there are many great skis currently available if you prefer volkl go with it.

 

there is another option to consider that may be more versatile and that is some of the masters "cheater skis" . they are built like the race models, but have slightly tighter sidecut radius, usually in the 18 to 21 meter radius.

 

good luck,

 

jim

post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks Jim for all your very valid points!

 

Based on your feedback, which i agree with, i think then the major thing to consider is the versatility of the ski.

 

Starting from the fact that i see race skis as having a "better" build than the normal stock skis (better in a general sense) i guess the main deciding factor would be the length of the ski (and hence the versatility on non-race, everyday slopes) followed by a preference for brand.

 

In this sense, for my height & weight (172cms ~ 62kg) what length ski would you suggest? (I am now also looking at the Rossignol Radical World Cup GS FIS Ibox Racing - 182 cms)

 

Also, what do you mean by "cheater skis" and do you have an example?

 

Thanks so much again for your feedback, whilst a very good skier i'm not too technically proficient!

Lorenzo

post #9 of 11

A cheater ski is a non-FIS ski with more sidecut than a FIS ski in the same length.  I think around a 183 is going to work as far as length.  Here's the Atomic FIS ski that I just got:

 

http://www.atomicsnow.com/en-US/Products/Alpine/Ski/Fis%20Race/RS_D2_GS_WOMEN/AA0018170.aspx?filter=

 

I got the 183, which has a 24 M sidecut, and is considered a women's FIS ski, which is what I ski on, as do a lot of older men's Masters racers.

 

Here's the Atomic non-FIS GS series:

 

http://www.atomicsnow.com/en-US/Products/Alpine/Ski/Race/D2_RACE_GS/AA0013000.aspx?filter=

 

So a 184 in that has more sidecut at 19 meters, and you might even consider a 179.

 

All manufacturers have a FIS and non-FIS series, where the non-FIS series is a little easier to drive for folks who don't have a heavy racing background. As Jim says, Volkl is a great ski too, as is Rossingnol, Fischer, Head, and so forth.  I prefer Atomic for a lot of different reasons, but I've skied on pretty much everything, and they're all good...

 

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Thanks Jim for all your very valid points!

 

Based on your feedback, which i agree with, i think then the major thing to consider is the versatility of the ski.

 

Starting from the fact that i see race skis as having a "better" build than the normal stock skis (better in a general sense) i guess the main deciding factor would be the length of the ski (and hence the versatility on non-race, everyday slopes) followed by a preference for brand.

 

In this sense, for my height & weight (172cms ~ 62kg) what length ski would you suggest? (I am now also looking at the Rossignol Radical World Cup GS FIS Ibox Racing - 182 cms)

 

Also, what do you mean by "cheater skis" and do you have an example?

 

Thanks so much again for your feedback, whilst a very good skier i'm not too technically proficient!

Lorenzo



 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks Skiracer55,

 

i am going to go try the Volkl Racetiger GS Race Stock WC - 183 cms which apparently im told has different sidecut from the ones published on Volkl's website, i.e. 104- 67-87

 

I will let you have my feedback asap, in the meantime thanks for yours!

Happy skiing,

 

Lorenzo

post #11 of 11

Good choice, I'll bet that is going to hook up and carve like nobody's business, keep us posted!

 

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Originally Posted by dreamracer View Post

Thanks Skiracer55,

 

i am going to go try the Volkl Racetiger GS Race Stock WC - 183 cms which apparently im told has different sidecut from the ones published on Volkl's website, i.e. 104- 67-87

 

I will let you have my feedback asap, in the meantime thanks for yours!

Happy skiing,

 

Lorenzo



 

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